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Y'all came close, too, I don't think it would have been impossible to steer towards a Kosmo lynch if you kept about it. Maybe even had a shot at getting Tilted to convince everyone to make that push during EoD somehow.

The thread sorta died down by the end of D1 and the result was everyone kind of just shrugging and settling on the Murat lynch, though, and that more-or-less set the pace for how the rest of the game would go in general.

Just to get a recap, what's the consensus on Evan and Jamez as-is?

They haven't been focused on as much as Cmitc, Elle, and Poly have been; so I kind of forgot to keep an eye on them.

Also, re:Elle:

I don't think many people were scumreading you for inactivity if at all, I'm not sure why you kept bringing that up as a defense for yourself.
You also seem kind of frustrated when we're at a point where lynching one Cit is completely affordable and still (probably) nets a town win. Should you be a Cit, why not roll with the lynch and direct us to who would be a good target for tomorrow instead of trying to redirect today's lynch?

MafiaMenace wrote:
NesMettaur wrote:
MafiaMenace wrote:But they don't have a consort thank fuck.
Oh~? I'm guessing this is because no one's mentioned being roleblocked outside of your own targets, then?

yes.
Also they probably would have just roleblocked qwerty rather than kill him.
Because that way they can use their kill to try and find the jailkeeper, or take out a confirmed town.

Makes sense, thanks.

Good to know consort shenanigans won't be an issue any time soon.

MafiaMenace wrote:Ha fuckers, it was another test.

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Alright, what we can get from this count is:
Evan is cleared as town as he is the only unconfirmed town on elle.
Cmit chose a player who hasn’t had any votes, scum would just jump on the highest voted, like elle or smth..
Team possibilities are: cmit/elle, poly/Jamez, take your pick town.

the mafia
the menace
the madman
Town may as well of won already anyways but this was a fun play and I'm happy I got to see it happen

MafiaMenace wrote:But they don't have a consort thank fuck.

Oh~? I'm guessing this is because no one's mentioned being roleblocked outside of your own targets, then?

Come to think of it, if Elle could be scumteam with anyone doesn't that mean her lynch should be saved for until mylo or lylo?

Then again, Consort's still a possibility and now that both PRs have outed themselves that'd have potential to get really annoying at night.

MafiaMenace wrote:ok EVERY SINGLE damn player should give their most scummiest read, just straight up their name, no fucking explanation, 1 word.

Singling it down aaaaand...

Elle.

No one post stuck out to me with Evan/Cmitc's ISOs the same way a few of Elle's did, but in general when catching up during D3 I noticed:

cmitc: Started to townread Jamez and has been really pressure-y towards Evan and Poly since those are his scumreads
Evan: More concerned with PoE and running through all possible team combinations than he is with outright reads

Also, neither has directly interacted with each other at all. Cmitc's flipping up and down about Evan being scum (to which Evan hasn't responded) while Evan's only mentioned Cmitc in regards to said team combinations (incidentally also saying Cmitc/Evan is the only team either could be on.)

So... yeah it's back to Cmitc/Evan>Elle>Jamez>Poly for the order in light of that, I'm sure at least one of the two is scum and the fact that keep pushing people outside of each other (respectively Cmitc with Poly and Evan with Elle) is kinda sus.

eeelneekey wrote:@MafMen
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we have five hours left till day end and we're at l-3 on murat and kosmo, and l-5 on tilted.
at this point, i consider it unlikely that mafmen will be able to convince us all to jump on the tilted wagon.
we should start choosing between murat and kosmo.
my personal preference is on kosmo, for reasons already stated and because murat is getting a replacement and who knows, maybe their replacement will turn things around and be helpful to the town?
either way, we need to start narrowing things down between the two wagons.
@everyone thoughts on murat/kosmo? pls??

I'll ISO dive on Evan next (followed by Cmitc) but for right now I'm feeling Elle>Evan>Cmitc>Jamez>Poly tbh

Compared to everyone else who voted Kosmo this feels really steer-y, like Elle was maintaining a wishywashy town while trying to nudge everyone towards Kosmo over Murat.
And just like my post from before, Elle doesn't give her own reasons for voting Kosmo and just alludes to "reasons already stated"

As usual I'm willing to put my vote on someone else if it helps reach majority, but in the meantime I'm going to put my vote towards Elle.

/vote eeelneekey

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P-EDIT: That post doesn't really help your case either, since you're still piggybacking on what Ladd and Tilted said.

EvanManManMan wrote:Wait

Menace who did you jail each night?

As Tilted mentioned ^ he was jailed N1, and N2 Qwerty was jailed and successfully protected from an attack

eeelneekey wrote:/vote kosmo for reasons stated above.
will be around to take this off if necessary but i like the pressure.

Going back through earlier posts real quick and this caught my eye.
Here's a link to the "reasons stated above" in question, she was sheeping Qwerty.

Someone said the Ladd townslip probably couldn't of been faked outside of an Elle team with Cmitc or Evan, buuuuuut by Menace's own word neither mafia member was jailed at night so it's possible Elle completely forgot who they agreed on while the other mafia member carried the nightkill out.

Evan/Cmitc will probably be more telling lynches for the day but I feel like Elle's a good third candidate for scum and shouldn't be left unattended during the night.

Catching up right now but I wanted to chime in real fast and reiterate what I said about Poly yesterday; during D1 both Kosmo and Murat were at L-3 and Poly switched off of the Kosmo wagon to put Murat at L-2.

Could have been bussing, but I don't see why scum would bus in that scenario unless they were on Murat's wagon during the early day and forced to stay on it. Wouldn't of been hard to stay on Kosmo's wagon and get her lynched instead while still staying covert.

Didn't see the Elle townslip until just now, thanks for quoting that Cham~

/vote ChamAlien

eeelneekey wrote:can someone summarise the case against cham for me? (will read back too, but it helps to see how different people present it)

Cham claimed Sheriff and Qwerty CC'd, I think?

That and people were skeptical of the LAS slot anyways and Cham's behavior upon replacing in only further cemented people reading him as scum.

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P-edit: After doing my reads I went back to look for the current votecount and found

ChamAlien wrote:/vote eel

Lets see

...not sure what to make of it in conjunction with my Cham/Elle theory, hmm.

qwertyuiopl wrote:I think we determined that Cham's thing might've been a hypo
/vote Cham

Good to know, but just to be safe I'm going to wait until a few other players back you up on the Cham hypo thing.
Since I have you two in a bracket and all.

Late, but caught up- apologies for once again being slow to the draw.

So, Cham softed Sheriff w/ green on Poly and Qwerty outright said he was Sheriff w/ green on me from the seems of things?
I'll have to look back through the thread shortly to remind myself why I said this but in my notes Murat's potential scumbuddies were listed as between Doc/Evan, LAS/Cham, Elle, Qwerty, and Cmitc (less for who I associated with Murat and more for who I figured wouldn't be scum with them based on D1 interactions.)

Of them, I know Cmitc's been listed as a backup vote if no one else ends up being a fruitful lynch but to me they're pretty Town just based of how rapid-fire their thoughts are. I don't know if scum could do stream of consciousness as often as Cmitc was doing.
And then one of Cham/Qwerty would be scum based on the Sheriff stuff, more likely Cham since what Qwerty did was a CC... ish?

Which leaves the last one between Elle and Evan, I liked what Evan's been posting but I'm still gonna check his and Elle's ISOs individually to try and figure something there.

Does that sound about right or did I get any details of what's happened so far today wrong? I know the catchup is intermingled with reads so... sorry about that, I'll try and spit out a cleaner reads list shortly.

{Murat} is at L-3 (Poly, {Ladd}, Jamez, me)
Kosmo L-4 (Qwerty, Elle, Tilted)
Tilted L-4 (Menace, {LAS}, Kosmo)

I think this is the current votecount, correct me if I'm wrong.

Kosmo and Tilted seem intent on pointing fingers at each other while Murat stays out of everything via being inactive, not sure if that's indicative of Murat's alignment or not.
I don't know if I'll be awake long enough for EoD, but like I said before I'm willing to put my vote towards whoever as long as it ends the day with a flip and some sort of info for Town to go in tomorrow. Until I do go to bed consider everyone L-3 in that case.

kosmo16 wrote:What was I doing on discord and why.
1. I wanted to see a reaction from murat when I accuse him for being Mafia. It was very loose, humorous accusation. I picked him, because of recent MegaMan game where he was scum, was looking for a similar tone. He was quite a wet blanket, but couldn't see anything what could pings me.
2. I wanted to see who will be most likely a Mafia target for N1 and share the knowledge with the Jailkeeper without alarming the Mafia. So I asked a question who would like you to have in your team as a Mafia member. murat and Tilted answered cmitic1 and ladd. I said MM and ladd. I wanted to share this, but was too busy to post. Hiding the reason is useless, because somehow Tilted isn't the top wagon.
3. Last question was the tricky one. It was direct question for scum agenda. In case of neighbor mislynch how would you try to convince the Town you are a good one. Reaction from Tilted was "um what". Not something I would expect from a Town member.

I never said anything regarding Discord, but alright. Thanks for answering the questions regardless.

Everyone took the Murat accusations at face value at the time, I'm not sure retroactively casting it as a joke reflects well on you... but I can see it being you trying to prod Murat into doing something, kind of like what I did with tilted.
...would Jailkeeper of picked up on that hint, by the by? That seems oddly obtuse for them to notice.

kosmo16 wrote:In each city with a dark past, there are people who stick to the shadows.

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Won't deny it was forced and it was more to prompt Tilted to talk more than anything, no complaints there.
What's the thing regarding neighbors chat? I don't remember making any arguments using that.
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In regards to your recent post, you mentioned cmitc being town if Tilted is scum.
On that note, would that mean scum!Murat equals scum!cmitc in your eyes?

Final question, I'm confused on the Jamez read; can you elaborate on the logic behind that one some more?

I'm fine with both Murat or Kosmo as lynches and those seem to be the big two pushes right now. Kosmo feels like the more likely scum between the two, but guessing wrong on Murat wouldn't hurt Town as much as losing town Kosmo would so...

/vote murat1996

Though I'm willing to switch to Kosmo if we decide she's the lynch for today, depends on where everyone else puts their votes. If we aren't close to Majority by midnight tonight I'll switch to Kosmo for sure.

Tiltedcomedian wrote:[*]NesMettaur - neighbors neighbors neighbors. also in response to one post, we cannot possibly mislunch both neighbors because as soon as the first one goes, it's not worth scumhunting from the remaining two, see also my post. could be scum but I think more noobtown

Admittedly this is my first game with neighbors, good to know mislynching twice in that bracket's basically a non-issue.

...I should have realized that sooner though, my mistake.

Tiltedcomedian wrote:kosmo
- in neighbors chat, immediately started off by trying to suggest murat was mafia once it was open
- later on in here once I actually started posting, started doubtcasting me
- this morning after I left for work, murat said he was gonna be busy again and kosmo immediately responds by asking murat to let himself be lunched
- then moves on to ask, if we (the town at large) mislunch a town neighbor today, how would we (the two remaining neighbors) convince town not to lunch us (compare that to what I said)

Jamezbeast
- v. v. clearly opposed to DoctorAzure
- seems to want to capitalize on lynching murat (just as kosmo was pushing initially)
- immediately after that wants to move on DoctorAzure which is ??? ok if someone else sees Doc is scummy then maybe but I literally haven't seen any sign of that in ISOs
- also wtf is that sheriff reveal idea
- and strangely optimistic that murat is definitely the scum neighbor when (murat === inactivity) and everyone else, me included, is saying let's just PL murat. by PoE??? what PoE
- out of the neighbors he wants to lunch either me or murat, which implies he knows something about kosmo that the rest of us don't

so yeah that was my big post for today

thoughts?

I've been kind of skeptical on Kosmo for that exact reason on how fixated she is with Murat, a lot of her other stuff is good but I also get the impression she's trying to coast along on being the neighbor townread and let everyone else do the work (since she doesn't really need to deflect anything anyways.)

Jamez seems well-intentioned to me, might be going about things the wrong way but his posts otherwise feel honest.

MafiaMenace wrote:
qwertyuiopl wrote:
MafiaMenace wrote:Nes (Maybe scum? Borderline null)

NesMettaur wrote:I like Ladd and Kosmo both for moving discussions along, I like Qwerty for how he responded to Jamez's post about not targeting neighbors, and I'm willing to extend Jamez some benefit of the doubt and say they're a town member that was just greatly overestimating how useful access to the neighborhood is outside of confirming yourself as a neighbor.

I don't have any scumreads so far but it does strike me as kind of weird that Tilted's the only neighbor yet that hasn't brought up the fact that they're neighbor (even in their brief "I'll catch up later" posts, you'd think it would warrant mentioning).

/vote Tiltedcomedian

If you look carefully you will notice this post carries no weight to it.
It’s almost empty.

Why? It says what Nes thinks of people and events. If anything is bad it's the tilted read. Like... People had already brought up the neighbour thing, why would they have to as well? Idk if tilted is town but that's a really bad reason to read them as scum.

Yes, but it feels empty, I mean look at it, yes it says what nes thinks of events, but it just doesn't do anything to push anything, just sitting around chiming in just so they can post something.

Felt kind of push-y to me, I meant it when I said Tilted's lack of presence to that point felt weird to me.

/unvote

Buuuuut that's since been fixed, so we're good. Tilted not giving a shit about the vote itself and caring more about stupid reasoning behind it is a good sign to me.
I'm starting to second-guess my Kosmo read since at this point Murat would be the easiest of easy targets to put a mislynch on, but at the same time... like, it's Murat and Murat hasn't posted much since the start so it might be good to just speed things along and knock one of the neighbors out of the way.

Only way the neighbor thing puts town at a disadvantage is if we mislynch both neighbors, otherwise it's either one scum down and two confirmed townies or a trade and one confirmed townie.

I like Ladd and Kosmo both for moving discussions along, I like Qwerty for how he responded to Jamez's post about not targeting neighbors, and I'm willing to extend Jamez some benefit of the doubt and say they're a town member that was just greatly overestimating how useful access to the neighborhood is outside of confirming yourself as a neighbor.

I don't have any scumreads so far but it does strike me as kind of weird that Tilted's the only neighbor yet that hasn't brought up the fact that they're neighbor (even in their brief "I'll catch up later" posts, you'd think it would warrant mentioning).

/vote Tiltedcomedian

Tilted, Murat, and Kosmo- you guys have anything so far between yourselves?

For the record, assuming a mislynch every day Mafia'd win at earliest on D4.

But of course since we know who the neighbors are, as long as we get the scum from within there at some point Mafia's earliest win would now be at D5. Unless the ball gets dropped really hard along the way that should be plenty of time for us to scout out the non-neighbor mafia members.

But if we lynch a town Neighbor then we're left with another town Neighbor who knows that the third guy's scum, likewise nullifying scum's advantage.

Any way you put it that's a good spot for Town to be in imo

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