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Unorthodox1337 wrote:First of all, you can't just fucking accuse someone of being scum for acting scummy.

Quote of the year right there Uno.

Uno, don't try to shit on other people's scumreads when yours were no better than theirs. You townread Slant, even after saying he acted scummy. I don't know what the hell your logic was. But it is literally in the name. Scummy.

TrueGent wrote:TheCow|5|Lexiam, TandJ50, TheForgot3n1, Ozymandiass, JackoDerp;parkerparkour|3|HappyMatt369, TheCow, mihail66
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This right here should have been enough proof Parker wasn't scum.

GG though. Didn't expect to see Ladd or Suckable flip scum. Parker played scummy af though, can't blame Town for MLimg him.

We should be keeping discussion to 0, because it is Twilight. I'll PM a Mod to lock the thread.

Unorthodox1337 wrote:Mk.

Hard scumread on Forgot3n, hard scumread on cookie. TI check them out if you can, but up to you.

Telling a TI to check someone will likely just draw a Framer or a Disguiser to that target, so that won't work.

I'm thinking about what Greg said, with everyone giving a fake TI result each morning, and I actually don't see much wrong with it. Everyone posts a Sheriff and Investigator result, and we just pay absolutely no attention to them, but when an actual TI dies we can check what their results were. If someone says someone is a member of the Mafia in their results, we still pay no attention to it, as they most likely just made it up. If it is the actual TI who called them out, they can push on their target, and try to draw scum associations.

Example:
"I slept peacefully last night.
XXX - Not Suspicious
XXX - Cit/GF"

If the TI is actually Lookout, then they should know only to reveal themselves if they watch somebody get Witched or if they watch somebody get killed.

Bleh. I don't like how he was shoving the ISOs down our throats, screeching for Towncred. I also didn't like when he said he was too scared of making reads because in his previous game he scumread a confirmed Transporter. They are two of the only things that stuck out for me, but I'm not really seeing Cookie flip scum if he is lynched.

The replacements of this game have legit just taken over. All of them must be scum.

I'll look into cookie now. I'll see what I think of them.

expertnoob10 wrote:
Varanus wrote:I hate to rain on your parade, expertnoob, but I have to give you the heads up now that if you're a veteran, that's far more likely to drag a TP than it is mafia. Keep that in mind.

You don't know any of my plans or my role. Keep that in mind.

expertnoob10 wrote:Well I guess I look scummy because I'm bad at reads. I will hopefully confirm my role soon so... Plz don't lynch me.

/le sigh

You still haven't really said anything about me being scum. You merely pointed out posts which you either agreed with or you wanted to make a comment on. So do you have any evidence against me for being scum, or do you just want to admit that the only reason you think I am scum is because I think you are?

Anyways, I cba dealing with Slant anymore.

mihail66 wrote:Sorry for that I dont make reads I have no idea how this should be done expect from scumslip this is my second FM, still learning. And I am too lazy to even search for a guide if something like this exist.

Here is my advice. Read over people's ISOs. Look at their posts, and try to decide if that could come from a Towns perspective, or if it is maybe more likely to come from a scum perspective. Think to yourself if that person genuinely seems like they are trying to help out the Town, or if they are just trying to look like Town.

Base it off that, and once you play more games you will find your own ways of reading people.

Yes of course the only reason I think you are scum is because I haven't read your ISO, even though that's basically the only thing I do to find reads. Logic/10.

If you really want to know everything that makes me think you are scum, here you go:
Spoiler:

slantslantslant wrote:
cookieclicker33 wrote:
slantslantslant wrote:I don't want to lose my first FM game and lynching someone day one when we have a much bigger chance to lynch someone who's just a noob as opposed to actual scum

Isn't that like- exactly what I said?

I'm just covering my ass for when we're looking back on this after it's done so no one can say it's my fault.

I said it before. It looks like you don't really care about a Day 1 lynch, and all you want is for people to not be able to call you out as scum, so you said this to cover yourself from looking like scum.

slantslantslant wrote:
MaccaMania wrote:^ I wasn't talking about you I was talking about slant.

If you're that sure, then vote to lynch me.

I wasn't aware that trying to make this game easy from start to finish and not letting it end 2v1 was scummy.

Here you overreacted to a simple statement. Plus, a lot of scum use the 'vote me then' as a way to try and seem town. I also have no idea what you mean by that last line.

slantslantslant wrote:
HappyMatt369 wrote: Anyone look scummy to you?

Everyone who is already sowing seeds of scum accusation... so forgotten and macca

Blatant OMGUSing.

slantslantslant wrote:this thread is a bit slow isn't it

Complaining about the inactivity of the thread yet doing absolutely nothing to make it more active - no content added to the game.

slantslantslant wrote:
TheForgot3n1 wrote:
TheForgot3n1 wrote:Hm, the ISO:s aren't specifically what I meant. But let's leave it at that I'm more wondering what Slant is. He just doesn't feel town, at least not citizen.

If I can ask you, Cookie, what do you think about SlantSlant?

I'm just trying to keep the town's integrity. I realize I may look scummy but it's a necessary evil.

Here you basically admit that you are looking scummy, yet it's necessary for you to do so to keep the Town's integrity.

slantslantslant wrote:
Sevohaseth wrote:
with the setup being 11v5

Isn't the Witch totally fucked though? I can't think of any way that she can confirm her identity to the Mafia. Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems a bit more like 11v4v an unaware 1

This just seems off to me. Like you are implying that scum isn't actually that powerful, as the witch isn't know to them, which is true, but it sounds like this is coming from a scum POV.

slantslantslant wrote:
mihail66 wrote:So some people have scumread cookieclicker and I went through his ISO and here are the results:
He says he didnt oppose massclaim, but said he will do it if town starts doing it. which is not neccessary thing to say, if we massclaim of course we will lynch people who dont first. So at the end he would not massclaim except if he is in danger of being lynched whic means after all he is against massclain, a bit controversy statements.

That is literally not true. I looked at his ISO and he said he is against massclaim but will participate if one happens. That does not mean he will only claim when he is about to be lynched. That means if we get a massclaim going, he will claim without causing trouble.

Now I'm wondering why you're trying to paint him in a bad light.

This isn't really scumlike, but it is possibly a sign that cookie is your scumbuddy, and you are sticking up for him to make sure that no one can think he is scum.
Happy now Slant?
Add to that my post about your reads list, and yeah. Also, your most recent post is once again OMGUSing me, and telling other people to be scum reading me for scumreading you. Try to find some evidence on why I am scum, then we can talk.

MINI READS LIST
The way it works is on percentages from 0-100, with 0 being confirmed scum, 50 being null and 100 being confirmed Town.

Slantslantslant - 30% I have already said which stuff is sus, plus their posts don't seem very town motivated.
TheForgot3n1 - 60% Has been posting a lot of actual decent content for the town to work with, has been scum reading actively.
TosPlayerre - 65% Asking questions to town at the start of the game to try to bring discussion, responding to topics well and although isn't that activity, still acting very townlike.
Pucca25 - 75% Hardclaimed Cit very early in the day, I don't think that scum would risk making a claim Day 1, even if it is Citizen.
Sevohaseth - 60% Actively contributing to the Town, posted a read list quite early on which was helpful.
Expertnoob10 - 35% - Refused to give reads, has barely contributed anything useful to the town, admitted to lurking a lot.
HappyMatt - 45% - I don't know why, but something just seems off with their posts. When he said how making walls is townlike during his wall, that just kind of made me doubt.
Mihail - 40% - The way he claimed that he doesn't scumreads until he finds as obvious scum was weird, other than that idk really.
Varanus - 55% - They replaced in for someone very inactive, but their posts so far have been proving that they are trying to help out the town.

Bleh. I just woke up and need to go to school.

I know I said I would make a reads list yesterday, but so many people were just null, and I couldn't be bothered at the end. I'll make a mini reads list in a couple of hours.

He could have started the mass claim, it could have built into a chain reaction. Plus, it's basically just telling scum who not to target. Cits should be trying to take the bullet for town, not outing themselves so that they can live.

slantslantslant wrote:MY READS:

Spoiler:

Firstly, I was actually against a massclaim Day 1, if you read the thread. I also didn't completely agree with lynching Day 1, it was only if we had a very strong scumread on somebody during the 5 days of day 1 that we have, and only if I felt confident on it.

Secondly, what you did with the read on Sevo, don't do that. You should never speculate on what people's roles are, because that is a scumtell. You are giving Mafia ideas of who the important PRs are and you are giving them an idea of who they should try to kill.

Thirdly, I find it ironic that you scumread every single person who agreed to have a massclaim day 1, but you townread the guy who actually claimed. Kek

ToSPlayerre wrote:Perhaps we could start off with a few questions...

What does your reads list usually take the form of?
My read list will most likely be on percentages, with 100% being confirmed town and 0 being confirmed scum, and 50 at null and so on.

What do you think frequent posting indicates?
Frequent posting indicates that that person has a lot of time they can use for FM. It isn't alignment indicative, as scum can just as easily be more active and post a lot.

What do you think a Citizen's playstyle should be like?
Citizens should be trying to take the bullet for the Town. They should play as if they are not afraid to die, as well as trying to be as active as they can.

In a 4v4, 3 maf and a Witch, as a townie, would you claim Witch?
I would, but at that point it wouldn't really matter, as it would require everyone to claim Witch, and the mafia could easily just let the real Witch control them onto a Town during night.

When is usually appropriate for a massclaim?
Honestly, not too sure on this one, but in game without wills it probably needs to be early, most likely Day 3.

Would you quickhammer someone you thought was scum?
Depending on what time in the game it was, if we knew who the other scum members were, then yes I would, but if we still needed to discuss then I wouldn't.

What would be your first thought if someone voted for three people randomly?
Either they are very unconfident in themselves, or else they are just deliberately trolling, because no one would do that, especially if they were scum

What do you believe to be the weakest Mafia role in this situation?
I think the weakest role is probably the Agent, but I haven't had much experience with it and I'm not really sure how useful its abilities would be, so I'm not really sure.

And lastly, which is better, a nolynch or a lynch with a 50% chance to flip red or green?
A lynch with a 50/50 chance. No matter what, we would get a scum killed either that day or the other. A no-lynch would just make us have to make the decision later, minus one Town who would have been killed during night.

On that note, as a Town, we should probably begin reads soon, because we have a few pages to work with.

I'll be making a reads list sometime today. It will probably be later on though.

Wut

Oh God.

Gregriff321 wrote:What is mafia tactical?

It is a mafia alignment which allows any member of the mafia to sacrifice their night action to make the kill, instead of having someone like the GodFather or Mafioso do it.

Sevohaseth wrote:{pucca25}
{MaccaMania, TheForgot3n1}
{mihail66, suckable, cookieclicker33, ToSPlayerre}
{Fergy123, chordedWhisper}
{TandJ50, HappyMatt369, Liuhh, expertnoob10}
{slantslantslant, Gregriff321}

@TrueGent/Met Do the mafia have mafia tactical in play? Do they have day-chat?

Just making sure, because I am not exactly familiar with your play, but this is a mini reads list based from Town to Scum right, with Town at top and scum at bottom?

Yeah, I don't think Town codes are going to work. Because if a member of the Town can figure out the code, chances are a member of the scumteam can as well. Unless it goes to extreme town metagaming to figure out the code, which I am not willing to do.

TandJ50 wrote:
TrueGent wrote:TandJ50 is being prodded for inactivity.

Sorry, I was gone for a little while, but it shouldn't happen again as I am getting a new smartphone, so I will be able to read this on there.

Anyways,
Hello, everyone! Hope we all have a good game!

Lynching day one is silly. I'm not sure about mass claiming but I cannot think of a single argument to the benefit of lynching someone day one.

I think a Day 1 massclaim would never work.

Vigilante claims - Witch controls vigilante to attack a townie.
Doctor claims - Witch controls doctor to heal herself.
BG claims - Witch controls BG to guard herself.
Veteran claims - Mafia and witch never visit veteran.
Investigator, Sheriff, or Lookout claims - Witch can screw around with them, and they become mafia's targets.
Citizens claim - Only roles with an ability are getting attacked now, gg town.
Escort claims - Witch controls escort to roleblock the doctor or another PR role.

I agree with both of these statements.

I don't mind if you agree with those statements, but at least post your own opinion on the matter. You can't just sheep everyone else's opinions. If you do have the same opinions as someone, you can state that you agree with them, but you still need to put a little effort on saying why you agree with them or why you disagree with them.

My opinion about Day 1 lynching has changed. It isn't because of an specific person, it's just that at the start I didn't realise that Day 1 was going to go for 5 whole days. If I get any solid scumreads on anyone in those 5 days, I will be willing to lynch them. I am not willing to PL someone or lynch them purely for their lack of activity within those 5 days.

ToSPlayerre wrote:So we should probably run through some things.

Code/Signals: If someone is contantly posting bullshit, just once or twice a day, it could be a code. Example: in NFM 23, Uno utilized a "kek" code in which he used different variations of the word "kek" to communicate his findings as Consigilere.

Also, a good rule to have tommorow could be no capital letters. That would kill a lot of code right there.

Really, we need a bit more activity here. We have 4 pages.

D1 reads do matter. I scumread the SK D1, but he managed to buy time by mislynching mihail.

On the subject of codes...

In the morning, I want everyone to say their night results exactly the same. If people slept peacefully, they should say it like: "I slept peacefully." I want the capital I, the full stop at the end, I don't want anyone to say 'I slept peacefully last night." I just want "I slept peacefully."

This should be the first line of everybody's first post. This will prevent mafia from doing simple codes, such as using the full stop to indicate if they were witched or not. If you were witched or roleblocked, you can say so though.

cookieclicker33 wrote:GLORIOUS ISOs:

Hopefully I didn't mess up when making any of these:
Spoiler:

Chorded's and Mihails ISOs weren't workings, so I fixed them for you.

Because I am somehow seeing tomorrow end in chaos, I want to bring this topic up.
TI's revealing.
We have no wills in this game, meaning we have no place to store information. What this means, is that everyone should be posting their reads throughout the game, since you can't just leave them in your will.
What this also means, is that TIs will have to make the choice on whether or not to reveal information. Even just finding someone as NS means so much in a game like this, but I feel like TIs should only reveal if they have very valuable information that will result in a scum getting lynched. If you find someone as Cit/GF, don't reveal it. If you find someone as NS, don't reveal it. If you really think someone is going to turn out as scum, eg. They are playing like a Citizen but they came up as Doc, Sheriff, Mafioso or Witch, then you should probably reveal it. Not immediately in the day though, a bit later.

Gregriff321 wrote:What about instead of claiming a role, why don't we claim multiple roles? Like Mayor/Escort/Marshal, one of the role will be real and mafia and witch can't directly get information out of it and we might be able to find who is lying with the claims. Or maybe, citizen can claim investigatives along with the real invest/sheriff and give fake invest results. Since we have no will and if the real invest/sheriff died, we can just go back and check their result.

That kind of ruins the point of a massclaim. A massclaim is done so that we can use Process of Elimination to separate which claims contradict each other and which claims aren't countered. If we were to claim multiple roles, it wouldn't help us at all. Mafia can claim 3 different roles, so they get 3 chances at providing a fakeclaim. Plus, nearly all claims would include a Citizen in them, since the PRs wouldn't want to out themselves and the Citizens wouldn't want to exactly claim 3 complete different roles.

slantslantslant wrote:this thread is a bit slow isn't it

You see, posts like this aren't going to increase the discussion. If you want the thread to go faster, start asking some questions or something. Just talking about the inactivity of the thread isn't going to make it more active.

TheForgot3n1 wrote:So far I'm getting scumvibes from cookieClicker33 and Slantslant, and a slight townread on MaccaMania for thinking the exact same way as me (indicates he might be town).

While I appreciate the townread, I could just as easily be scum trying to buddy with you so that I can get read as town. You can't trust everyone who agrees with your read on a person, because they could just be scum trying to push a mislynch on that person.

slantslantslant wrote:
HappyMatt369 wrote: Anyone look scummy to you?

Everyone who is already sowing seeds of scum accusation... so forgotten and macca

kek because accusing people of being scum is an obvious scumtell.

Besides, that is literally just OMGUS. You are accusing me purely for the reason that I accused you.
Oh, and on a side note, I actually didn't realise that Forgoten had just made the same post against Slant. I was just reading over and as soon as I saw Slant say that I quoted it and started typing. Which also means that you are also OMGUSing Forgoten.

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