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I'd like to point out that I requested it made.

Look just give up on LoF he's stubborn and hates lunching.

FYI I have 10% battery. So like I can't stay for much longer.

TrueGent wrote:Hip is technically correct in a strict WCS, but the logic falls apart slightly in a game that isnt 1KPN

Pretty much this. Also wrong if Vig shoots TI night 2 or something horrible.

Jordarrian wrote:

Hiphoplog wrote:

BRVR wrote:Is it better to kill somebody even if they are town?

Yes staristically not lunging today means we have a minimum of 2 mislynches and mislynching today means we have a minimum of 3 so it is better to lunch town than not lunch at all.

Less town = More myslynches. Wat

Believe it or not having an odd number of town gives an extra mislynch statistically. Cruch the numbers yourself or go look at mafiascum.

ElusiveBelle wrote:Hip are you on a phone, or just really hungry?

Also I'm not a math person but I want to look into this logic and how it works out. Is that legit? How does this work out?

I told you guys I'm in the middle of moving so yes phone.

Lunging and lunching = lynch.

BRVR wrote:Is it better to kill somebody even if they are town?

Yes staristically not lunging today means we have a minimum of 2 mislynches and mislynching today means we have a minimum of 3 so it is better to lunch town than not lunch at all.

Sadly not. Not that we have a majority opinion.

What the absolute duck is wrong with you Jordan?

ObiWan wrote:Elusive, you may want to claim now. Up to you at this point though.

Oh my God you're such scum why would you push someone to claim when you know there is very likely to not be a majority in half an hour?

And serious Elusive is giving investigation targe out which is something you never do as town as the only reason to do that is if you are Mafia and know there is a Framer.

Sure if you are Mafia Jacko could be Neutral of some sorts and if you are Nuetral Jako could be Mafia, but that really wouldn't matter until you flipped.
And you are only now actually saying anything about Jacko having lazy reads, unless you can quote where I missed that, and really that just makes my initial lean on you stronger because I was saying how you were scum reading them and not voting just to wait and see if they do anything remotely scummy because when you started scum reading Jacko you provided no eidence and didn't even vote your scum read.

That's not how gamblers fallacy works.
Gambler's fallacy would be I assume you are scum because you always roll town or I assume they are town because they always roll scum. I don't really care enough to look at your 2 statistics for that.
You attacked them with terrible reasoning so I scum read you slightly and by default that means that they can't be the same alignment as you so probably Town.
Even if I was only Null reading them you would still be the better option because of i have a slight scum read on you.

Elastoid. Elusive. Same thing.

JackoDerp wrote:Also for those not on me vs elusive, what are your opinions?

This is mostly aimed at hip and LoF.

I don understand. I'm voting Elastoid because you are town and Elastoid only has a chance of being Town.

leyva45 wrote:

TrueGent wrote:nolynch then
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would rather that the people split on the macca/elusive wagons consolidate onto one of them, but I doubt thats going to happen

it's obviously not going to happen, jacko is the leading wagon.

it's either a macca, jacko, or no lynch today. too few people on the elusive wagon.

You are literal scum.

It's actually kind of funny how normally you try and convince the Jailor you are Town but now you gotta convince them you are scum.

Side note I won't be on for the rest of the day because I'm moving and school.
I can read and change votes at most, but really don't expect any long or thoughtful posts.

@Moon - if you are going to have a list with 6 tiers you need to establish which is tier 0 or that there is no 0 and just a +1 and -1 somewhere. I assume LoF is tier 0 because of your extreme Anon wanna lynch, but just for the sake of celerity can you just confirm that?

ElusiveBelle wrote:If it comes down to it I'll go ahead and claim as needed but for now just waiting for any sort of argument otherwise I'll stick with one of my own and likely vote Jacko or Moon, willing to still debate Jord but it isn't strong enough to really push. Jacko has been rather useless from their ISO and offered close to nothing that didn't parrot someone else.

Generally claiming doesn't change a whole lot of people's opinions unless it's some groundbreaking evidence that you are extremely unlikely to be lying which you can't possibly have day 1. Unless you've breadcrumb pretty much the entire day for some reason that words simply cannot describe then claiming alone wouldn't be a defense that would be very likely to get you out of a lynch.

LordofFail wrote:

Jordarrian wrote:

TrueGent wrote:Jord tf are you on about

Wat

JackoDerp wrote:Jord is literally high rn.

You and your leprechaun are both wrong

C'mon, dont keep the hallucinogenics all to yourself, pass that sucker around!

The doctor gave you some already.
I vaguely remember being out for an entire day and maybe a bit of the next day after getting them out.

LordofFail wrote:ok does anyone have anything actually relevant to say or are we just going to memeapalooza this shit and nolynch?

because right now the conversation has come to a grinding halt.

(probably because we have nothing other then pure conjecture to talk about since it is still day 1)

[day 1 lynch triggering intensifies]

Realistically I doubt people will get on and vote to a majority, but it's the best option to lynch.

If you want to read a horrible to follow WCS click the spoiler. Or if not just skip to the TLDR.
Spoiler: So like assume the WCS and SK rolled. The SK and Mafia do not fail to kill each night and only kill Town plus we mislynch each day minus day 1 where we mislynch vs no lynch.
13v7 - day 1 we lynch and fail just mislynching 12v7 going into the night. D2 - 10v7, mislynch N2 - 9v7. D3 - 7v7, mislynch (Realistically we will still lynch because SK and Mafia still will fight eachother) N3 6v7. D4 4v7. That's 3 mislynches before it will be nearly impossible to take back the town win.
So then assume we don't lynch day 1.
N1 - 13v7. D2 - 11v7, mislynch, N2 - 10v7. D3 - 8v7, mislynch, N3 - 7v7. D4 - 5v7. That's 2 mislynches before it will be nearly impossible to take back the town win.
Of course day 1 lynch also brings the positive that we can hit scum.

TLDR - If you look at the WCS for Town then we would lose the same day if we mislynched day 1 as we would lose if we no lynched day 1 meaning it is nonsensically better for us to mislynch then no lynch plus we might not even mislynch day 1 and get a large leg up going into night 1. Of course WCS disregards cross kills, filed kills, Mafia deaths, Guardian rolling and helping Town, Town Protective and Escort, Town Killing, and arsonist rolling. WCS is just SK and Mafia rolling and killing 2 different Town each night without fail and mislynch every lynch we do.

LordofFail wrote:

Jordarrian wrote:

LordofFail wrote:

Jordarrian wrote:

LordofFail wrote:

Jordarrian wrote:What the...

and this is in response to ... what exactly?

Jailor not being a thing

Town Powers are rarely a thing anymore really

Why? I would kill for a Mayor game

because town powers are too powerful and people get salty because there is too much swing. So instead of 11v9 with town powers, we have 12v8 with mafia heads.

I'm pretty sure only iggy rand the 11v9's and those were ridiculous with 5 neutrals.

Underboss is pretty weak without a Jailor.
But we don't have a Jailor so this debate is kinda pointless and you can complain to Swords how bad it was to have an Underboss with no Jailor afterwards if you want.

Admittedly though it would be really nice to role Underboss as it is the weakest Mafia Head in my opinion. It's like a night time 1-way Blackmailer with Consort night ability, but becomes confirmed Consort if they don't kill and roleblock each night. Pretty accurate.

LordofFail wrote:

Hiphoplog wrote:I've come to the conclusion that everyone but me must have been secretly given a Jester role card and I'm the only sane person in this Town.

So you are a difference alignment then everyone else? So you just hardclaimed Neutral, ya?

We should policy lynch Hip because hes Neutral

Spoiler:

That wouldn't even be a PL because all of the neutrals this game are scum, depending on who the Guardian targets I guess, but it makes scum night and investigation immune which is pretty strong.

TrueGent wrote:

Hiphoplog wrote:I've come to the conclusion that everyone but me must have been secretly given a Jester role card and I'm the only sane person in this Town.

>is scumreading EvilD for inactivity
zzz

*just died inside*
I have no words. It's like no one reads anything in this Town.

Fine if I can't have a EvilD scum lynch today I'll just get on the only productive wagon to keep my sanity and have a non-green name flip.
/vote Elusive

I've come to the conclusion that everyone but me must have been secretly given a Jester role card and I'm the only sane person in this Town.