BasicFourLife wrote:Coven is awful, terrible and dead. There's nothing else left to discuss about it.
BasicFourLife wrote:Coven is awful, terrible and dead. There's nothing else left to discuss about it.
Tahee wrote:Coven is something you play when you're drunk with some mates, not something you play frequently, likewise with all any. Whoever plays coven usually stops after 1-2 games a week bc its kinda hard to go beyond that lets be real. The pride of this game is ranked and ranked practice, but unfortunately the developers give zero to no emphasis to it, it's been the same for years. Hardly any balance changes. No Role-list changes. Like for the love of god do something about retributionist already.
kyuss420 wrote:Tahee wrote:Coven is something you play when you're drunk with some mates, not something you play frequently, likewise with all any. Whoever plays coven usually stops after 1-2 games a week bc its kinda hard to go beyond that lets be real. The pride of this game is ranked and ranked practice, but unfortunately the developers give zero to no emphasis to it, it's been the same for years. Hardly any balance changes. No Role-list changes. Like for the love of god do something about retributionist already.
A mode where evils have only 3 RT slots in which to hide, is the pride of the game? I'll pass, the evils are too easy to find, altho half the town wont listen to you cos they cant to 3. I will stick to scrolling for coven roles in VIP mode
Tahee wrote:Coven is something you play when you're drunk with some mates, not something you play frequently, likewise with all any. Whoever plays coven usually stops after 1-2 games a week bc its kinda hard to go beyond that lets be real. The pride of this game is ranked and ranked practice, but unfortunately the developers give zero to no emphasis to it, it's been the same for years. Hardly any balance changes. No Role-list changes. Like for the love of god do something about retributionist already.
Villagerlover wrote:I don't think they've taken a poll. but it'd be a great idea to get some new stats up and goin'.
I've personally really enjoyed Coven even though it's not really that balanced in Ranked/Ranked Practice. (Seriously though the Coven slaughter townies better than the mafia could've ever hoped). I've even considered buying it, but I dunno there just seems to be something preventing me from doing so. I think it's cause..
A) I get deterred from people saying there's little to no players in Coven...it's not really that fun to play when you play with the exact same users.
B) Just seems like Coven could be expanded upon regarding power balance. It seems there's way too many roles that can slaughter townies with no mercy, and conversely, there are town roles that seem too powerful like the Psychic, Crusader or Trapper since they can easily expose Coven or force them into a bad position with no hope of returning.
C) You don't really get that much from buying Coven. You just get to play Coven, and unlock enough gold/silver coins to maybe buy 1 or 2 skins, if even that. Or at least, I think so...
I suppose it really is only $10 but honestly it still seems of little value to me.
Flavorable wrote:Villagerlover wrote:I don't think they've taken a poll. but it'd be a great idea to get some new stats up and goin'.
I've personally really enjoyed Coven even though it's not really that balanced in Ranked/Ranked Practice. (Seriously though the Coven slaughter townies better than the mafia could've ever hoped). I've even considered buying it, but I dunno there just seems to be something preventing me from doing so. I think it's cause..
A) I get deterred from people saying there's little to no players in Coven...it's not really that fun to play when you play with the exact same users.
B) Just seems like Coven could be expanded upon regarding power balance. It seems there's way too many roles that can slaughter townies with no mercy, and conversely, there are town roles that seem too powerful like the Psychic, Crusader or Trapper since they can easily expose Coven or force them into a bad position with no hope of returning.
C) You don't really get that much from buying Coven. You just get to play Coven, and unlock enough gold/silver coins to maybe buy 1 or 2 skins, if even that. Or at least, I think so...
I suppose it really is only $10 but honestly it still seems of little value to me.
Keep in mind that Coven Ranked/RP hasn't really been balanced yet, since no one's really been playing it aside from free weekends.
shapesifter13 wrote:You can't really balance a role if there are no stats to go off of. If you do then it is all just guess work really. You could be nerfing a role that needs a buff.
Maybe you don’t, but they really help. A role may seem balanced in theory, but players may find a strategy to abuse its powers to the point of being unstoppable, or counter its abilities to the point where it is rendered useless. In those instances, the seemingly “balanced” role would actually be unbalanced in practice. This is why statistics are so useful in balancing.BasicFourLife wrote:Yes you can. It's called being a good Balancer. You don't need statistics to balance a role.shapesifter13 wrote:You can't really balance a role if there are no stats to go off of. If you do then it is all just guess work really. You could be nerfing a role that needs a buff.
MysticMismagius wrote:Maybe you don’t, but they really help. A role may seem balanced in theory, but players may find a strategy to abuse its powers to the point of being unstoppable, or counter its abilities to the point where it is rendered useless. In those instances, the seemingly “balanced” role would actually be unbalanced in practice. This is why statistics are so useful in balancing.BasicFourLife wrote:Yes you can. It's called being a good Balancer. You don't need statistics to balance a role.shapesifter13 wrote:You can't really balance a role if there are no stats to go off of. If you do then it is all just guess work really. You could be nerfing a role that needs a buff.
Flavorable wrote:The things is that roles can't be balanced solely on a mode that generally isn't played.
Right now, at least for All/Any, the roles seem balanced enough. A good Ranked/RP list can be made as soon as it's regularly played and people regularly show concerns about the same thing.
BasicFourLife wrote:Flavorable wrote:The things is that roles can't be balanced solely on a mode that generally isn't played.
Right now, at least for All/Any, the roles seem balanced enough. A good Ranked/RP list can be made as soon as it's regularly played and people regularly show concerns about the same thing.
The problem is not the list.
BasicFourLife wrote:Flavorable wrote:BasicFourLife wrote:Flavorable wrote:The things is that roles can't be balanced solely on a mode that generally isn't played.
Right now, at least for All/Any, the roles seem balanced enough. A good Ranked/RP list can be made as soon as it's regularly played and people regularly show concerns about the same thing.
The problem is not the list.
Then what is the problem? It's not helpful to just say "UNBALANCED" and then not clarify at all.
I don’t care enough to explain.
Kirize12 wrote:Villagerlover wrote:BasicFourLife wrote:Flavorable wrote:BasicFourLife wrote:Flavorable wrote:The things is that roles can't be balanced solely on a mode that generally isn't played.
Right now, at least for All/Any, the roles seem balanced enough. A good Ranked/RP list can be made as soon as it's regularly played and people regularly show concerns about the same thing.
The problem is not the list.
Then what is the problem? It's not helpful to just say "UNBALANCED" and then not clarify at all.
I don’t care enough to explain.
Hidden, it's your blatant crudeness like this that gives you a bad reputation. If you're going to shit on something, then at least explain yourself. Otherwise you'll just look pathetic.
Let me explain. Every role in Coven, with few exceptions, is awful.
Town:
Spoiler:
Mafia:
Spoiler:
Neutral:
Spoiler:
Coven:
Spoiler:
overall, it's gimmicky and stupid. i think players realize this which is why it isn't played that much.
.Kirize12 wrote:Flavorable wrote:Kirize12 wrote:Villagerlover wrote:BasicFourLife wrote:Flavorable wrote:BasicFourLife wrote:Flavorable wrote:The things is that roles can't be balanced solely on a mode that generally isn't played.
Right now, at least for All/Any, the roles seem balanced enough. A good Ranked/RP list can be made as soon as it's regularly played and people regularly show concerns about the same thing.
The problem is not the list.
Then what is the problem? It's not helpful to just say "UNBALANCED" and then not clarify at all.
I don’t care enough to explain.
Hidden, it's your blatant crudeness like this that gives you a bad reputation. If you're going to shit on something, then at least explain yourself. Otherwise you'll just look pathetic.
Let me explain. Every role in Coven, with few exceptions, is awful.
Town:
Spoiler:
Mafia:
Spoiler:
Neutral:
Spoiler:
Coven:
Spoiler:
overall, it's gimmicky and stupid. i think players realize this which is why it isn't played that much.
To be fair, everything you said it purely opinion, I don't see much factual evidence here. For example, you say GA is RNG? How so? It's protecting your target and learning to scumread. I don't get how it's RNG? You claim the same about Crusader, which is also not reliant on RNG, but moreso (again) on skill, scumreading and knowing when to be where and informing other important roles about your whereabouts beforehand.
I still see no actual incentive here to have to rebalance any roles. At least not when it comes to All/Any.
Guardian Angel is RNG because it's target is based off RNG. Crusader is RNG because who it kills isn't someone you have control over.
And you can't really use "this is your opinion" as an argument if you don't have a better one.
Achilles wrote:Clearly Coven just isn’t for you and that’s okay. I’ll focus on the people who enjoy Coven but have some role improvements or a few critiques. If you don’t like a majority of the roles then I don’t think I could ever please you. Sorry.
KatiyaKramer wrote:If I recall correctly, the list of guidelines for Role Ideas is not official in any way with BMG itself. It's just a list made by people in role ideas, but not looked at or approved by the developers at all, so it's not really a fair argument to say that the devs are going against a list they do not refer to.
Kirize12 wrote:Villagerlover wrote:BasicFourLife wrote:Flavorable wrote:BasicFourLife wrote:Flavorable wrote:The things is that roles can't be balanced solely on a mode that generally isn't played.
Right now, at least for All/Any, the roles seem balanced enough. A good Ranked/RP list can be made as soon as it's regularly played and people regularly show concerns about the same thing.
The problem is not the list.
Then what is the problem? It's not helpful to just say "UNBALANCED" and then not clarify at all.
I don’t care enough to explain.
Hidden, it's your blatant crudeness like this that gives you a bad reputation. If you're going to shit on something, then at least explain yourself. Otherwise you'll just look pathetic.
Let me explain. Every role in Coven, with few exceptions, is awful.
Town:
Spoiler:
Mafia:
Spoiler:
Neutral:
Spoiler:
Coven:
Spoiler:
overall, it's gimmicky and stupid. i think players realize this which is why it isn't played that much.
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