Issues with GA "gamethrowing"

[Yokujin]

"Note that you must never lynch your target, under any circumstances. This is gamethrowing, even if you want to win as Survivor. Some people believe that it is okay if you wish to win as Survivor; this is false. While you are still Guardian Angel, you must protect your target at all costs."
sc: http://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Guardian_Angel

GA is a factionless neutral role, he doesn't win with the target's team, only with the target.
As factionless neutral role no matter what you do; only care that YOU manage to win.

Situation 1:
Town finds target n1, he is an evil
You happen to protect yout target
Town threatens the GA to stop protecting the known evil, else they lynch/kill the GA/survivor at the next possible moment
Don't protect
Target gets killed/lynched and actually didn't bother to defend himself
Voting inno on the target WILL make you suspicious AND lessens YOUR chance to win
Vote guilty
Survivor wins with Town

Situation 2:
1 GA, 1 Town with 0 charges (Vet/Vigi/jailor...), 2 evils of same faction
Town/GA clearly cant win by lynching
GA not voting/protecting Town will make evils kill GA first, lynching town next day
GA will lose, delaying the defeat
Town cant defend himself or kill the remaining evils
Vote against your target, because thats the only way YOU can win


If failing to keep your target alive at all costs is considered gamethrowing then:
It's gamethrowing as exe to fail lynching your target
It's gamethrowing as jester to reveal yourself as jester and never getting lynched
It's gamethrowing as survivor if you failed protecting yourself at night
It's gamethrowing as amne not picking a side
It's gamethrowing as pirate not doing duels

BUT!
it is gamethrowing as GA if:
you whisper your target
claiming GA and asking target role
revealing yourself as GA and revealing target and his role

gamethrowing is:
you gamethrow if you dont help the coven as coven
as GA you were merely an "extra" for coven
as neutral you side with anything that has a higher chance of winning

[Kirigirii]

"Note that you must never lynch your target, under any circumstances. This is gamethrowing, even if you want to win as Survivor. Some people believe that it is okay if you wish to win as Survivor; this is false. While you are still Guardian Angel, you must protect your target at all costs."
sc: http://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Guardian_Angel

GA is a factionless neutral role, he doesn't win with the target's team, only with the target.
As factionless neutral role no matter what you do; only care that YOU manage to win.

Situation 1:
Town finds target n1, he is an evil
You happen to protect yout target
Town threatens the GA to stop protecting the known evil, else they lynch/kill the GA/survivor at the next possible moment
Don't protect
Target gets killed/lynched and actually didn't bother to defend himself
Voting inno on the target WILL make you suspicious AND lessens YOUR chance to win
Vote guilty
Survivor wins with Town

Situation 2:
1 GA, 1 Town with 0 charges (Vet/Vigi/jailor...), 2 evils of same faction
Town/GA clearly cant win by lynching
GA not voting/protecting Town will make evils kill GA first, lynching town next day
GA will lose, delaying the defeat
Town cant defend himself or kill the remaining evils
Vote against your target, because thats the only way YOU can win


If failing to keep your target alive at all costs is considered gamethrowing then:
It's gamethrowing as exe to fail lynching your target
It's gamethrowing as jester to reveal yourself as jester and never getting lynched
It's gamethrowing as survivor if you failed protecting yourself at night
It's gamethrowing as amne not picking a side
It's gamethrowing as pirate not doing duels

BUT!
it is gamethrowing as GA if:
you whisper your target
claiming GA and asking target role
revealing yourself as GA and revealing target and his role

gamethrowing is:
you gamethrow if you dont help the coven as coven
as GA you were merely an "extra" for coven
as neutral you side with anything that has a higher chance of winning

I doubt anyone has ever been banned for gamethrowing this way.

[Mathelete]

I believe roles with multiple win conditions should be allowed to pursue whichever one will be the easiest. If the GA knows they cannot stop their target from being lynched, they might as well claim early and gain the trust of the town. The town might repay the favor by protecting the GA turned survivor so they can win the game.

[LevinSnakesRise]

This is like Vampires and converting. You must try to win with your original faction before-hand, or it's gamethrowing. You cannot choose to get converted over winning with your group.

At the current moment anyways.

[kyuss420]

problem with situation 2, is that if your target is the final lynch, to end the game, you wont turn survivor and will still lose as GA, you will turn survivor if your target is killed at night tho. Ive had a few GA's vote me up when it was me and GA vs 2 town, with both the townies telling them they will win as surv if they lynch me.

GA is a factionless neutral role, he doesn't win with the target's team, only with the target.
As factionless neutral role no matter what you do; only care that YOU manage to win.

that is very correct, Im sure Ive generated many ''gamethrowing'' reports for my tactic of claiming crusader on vip, hoping for coven to kill the Vip night 1, while my townie target remains alive

[Yokujin]

problem with situation 2, is that if your target is the final lynch, to end the game, you wont turn survivor and will still lose as GA, you will turn survivor if your target is killed at night tho. Ive had a few GA's vote me up when it was me and GA vs 2 town, with both the townies telling them they will win as surv if they lynch me.

GA is a factionless neutral role, he doesn't win with the target's team, only with the target.
As factionless neutral role no matter what you do; only care that YOU manage to win.

that is very correct, Im sure Ive generated many ''gamethrowing'' reports for my tactic of claiming crusader on vip, hoping for coven to kill the Vip night 1, while my townie target remains alive

you are possibly correct on the final lynch thing... hmm baiting a GA to lose lol