How to play framer.

[greenrabbit7]

As framer, your primary use is your visit. Unlike the disguiser, your visit does nothing if, say, the only tis are lookouts... or does it?

As a framer, thnaks to the fact that, unlike disguiser, you don't have to constantly disguise as one person or, as blackmailer, you leave that pesky blackmail everywhere you go... sometimes, you just visit, and that fools literally every single TI. Here, I will be making a list for every TI and how to fool them:

Spoiler: Investigator:
Claim: Investigator/sherrif
I find that, as investigator, usually I investigate the people that talk the most, or make themselves known or just... claim. So frame those people. Keep framing, as in this case your visit is only as useful as the investigator. Don't think as a framer, think as an invest. For your fake will you should do a mixture of roles for the people you visited as mafia/framer vamp jester and actual mafia members as their invest results/ns

Sherrif:
Claim: Lookout/tracker
The great thing about sherrifs is they should be public about when they find mafia, so make sure to confirm them. If you're tracker, say your mafioso didn't visit anyone to support a vig claim on a night someone died to mafia, or just build around their will. First town lynch and it should be obvious there is a framer, so confirm the sherrif there too. Once you're confirmed LO/Tracker just keep confirming your allies.

Lookout/tracker:
Claim: Bg
The best thing about lookout is that, while it seems like you can do nothing, you can build an entire will around your bg ness or protect the mayor with noone even knowing you're actually framing them. Same with tracker, as they see who you visit. What sherrif invests someone who revealed? Because of this, you now have constant confirmed visits to whoever you're "protecting" and become an easy bg.

Spy:
Claim: Executioner
Fortunately, there is only a spy. Visit the same people the mafia kill, much as you can. This will make the spy think there's a forger running rampant. Sometimes just skip on visiting, make the spy think one of you was rbed. Claim exe to stay alive and stay alive to trick the spy.

Investigator + sherrif:
Claim: Sherrif
Sadly, it's much harder to claim lookout because of the investigator's watching and invest is much harder too because, if one of your mafia members is investigated, you can't exactly say anything without confirming them. The best thing to do is just agree with the sherrif until he lynches a framed town, then "find" a few framed town yourself.

Spy + Sherrif
Claim: Exe
Cc the sherrif and claim exe, before lynching your "target". Same thing as the spy strat above, essentially, but just make sure not to frame people too recklessly. With this strat you do not want people to know there is a framer. If you're outed as framer your visit becomes useless, or if it's outed there is a framer.

Lookout/tracker + sherrif:
Claim: Bg
The sherrif dosen't really set you back much, but it does become a lot harder to actually frame people and support your county sherrif.

Spy + Lookout/Tracker:
Claim: Visiting role (doc or bg is good)
You're fucked here. You can't reliably mess around with your visit and the spy at the same time, occasionally "visit" a mafia member to throw the spy off, but it is somewhat imminent before you are found.

Investigator + Lookout/tracker:
Claim: Sherrif(or invest if you're risky)
The problem with claiming invest here is the lookout can see you didn't visit a mafia member, as can the tracker, and overall reduces your ability to protect your own allies. Sherrif is a safe claim, but if you want to take risks, you can still confirm your allies which is better done with an invest claim.

Spy + Investigator:
Claim: Jester
This is the obvious claim, but it actually works well. Don't actually say "I am jester" but be stuble. Innocent on guilty verdicts, vice versa on innocent, play as you would as a jester while making it obvious you're playing as a jester and while visiting mafia targets.

Investigator + Lookout/tracker + sherrif:
Claim: Doctor
Sadly, with this much... space? It's hard to really claim much of anything. The sherrif will see every person you frame, but also you, and jester is an easy claim for a framer. But the investigator can actively see your role, too. It's best to just claim framed as a doctor and limit yourself to decieving the lookout/tracker.

Spy + Lookout/tracker + sherrif:
Claim: Jester
You're fucked. No, seriously, this combo alone messes you up; sherrif says x is mafia, but then spy says they were framed and they're now good. If the lo finds you you're screwed, and if you do anything at all in general you just betray your own mafia. There's no real way to win in this setup.

Spy + Lookout/tracker + Investigator
Claim: Doctor
Make sure to weasel in your heals in your will as you're framing people. Yes, it's obvious if the spy finds you, but the good thing is they might not notice it off the bat and invests don't tend to be as public as sherrifs with their findings so you can actually mislead them for much longer.

Spy + Sherrif + Investigator
Claim: Investigator
This is probably actually the best possible invest combo. You can do the best of everything; confuse the invest, frame and get the sherrif all befuddled and do a steady confusion for the investigator. There are so many possible things to do, not to mention you can confirm yourself as invest when a framer is revealed and you have targets that match up with framed people for the spy.

Spy + Sherrif + Lookout/Tracker + Investigator
Claim: Jester
There is little you can do here. Yes, the lo does that much. Your best bet is to claim jester, as it is much less likely you're tracked and seen visiting or a lo watches you then with you visiting random people and the lo catching you in the act.

[greenrabbit7]

only bumping this because BOY did it get buried.

[Scientedfic]

Pretty cool strategies, but of course, as with nearly any other mafia members, your greatest enemy is the spy. If you want to claim any of the above (or anything), you'll need a fake will. Sheriff would be your best bet, of course. Bodyguard is also all right.

[Chemist1422]

yeah if there's a spy just CC TI instantly

[greenrabbit7]

List updated to add spy.