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True's Jailor Tip List

Postby TrueGuardian32 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:13 am

This is a Jailor Tip list from me.

1. Always Jail during the day, which is a given.
2. Always have this type of will in similar format. [Name] Jailor Jailed: N1 N2 N3
3. Remember the 3 role rule. If you jail four people and they all claim one role. One of them is lying. Unless in a Custom or Rapid mode.
4. Another given, Don't jail Retri on the night he is forced to revive someone.
5. If someone says a person is SK during the day and you jail said person and he claims doc and you believe him, pray you don't die to SK.
6. If mafioso dies N1 or any other night and there aren't any mafia kills or there is 1 mafia kill jail your last jailed person one more time to check if hes mafioso or gf.
7. Another given, if Mayor reveals unless it late game and you know who mafia/NK is you jail that Mayor and protect him during night.
8. If you want to be a real smart Jailor you could tell jailed person a codephrase during night and ask him to remember it. Such as Blueberry, Banana bread, and more.

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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby ScardyBob » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:47 pm

TrueGuardian32 wrote:5. If someone says a person is SK during the day and you jail said person and he claims doc and you believe him, pray you don't die to SK.

Better yet, if someone is accused of being the sk, ww, pestilence, or juggernaut, do not jail them unless you intend to execute.
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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby Cirque » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:20 pm

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TrueGuardian32 wrote:5. If someone says a person is SK during the day and you jail said person and he claims doc and you believe him, pray you don't die to SK.

Better yet, if someone is accused of being the sk, ww, pestilence, or juggernaut, do not jail them unless you intend to execute.


Why would the Jailor bother jailing the person accused of being Pestilence? If they are Pestilence, Jailor has no way out of it.
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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby alex1234321 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:04 pm

Most of these seem pretty obvious. Personally, I do not always like to jail revealed Mayors. If they are competent and are actually playing the game correctly, then I will jail them. However, I do not want to give up my ability to kill half the scum in the game to help a random lynching Mayor that may even be a detriment to the Town.
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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby glhf3 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:16 pm

alex1234321 wrote:Most of these seem pretty obvious. Personally, I do not always like to jail revealed Mayors. If they are competent and are actually playing the game correctly, then I will jail them. However, I do not want to give up my ability to kill half the scum in the game to help a random lynching Mayor that may even be a detriment to the Town.

It can depend a lot on the NK. I find jailing the revealed mayor is very helpful in arsonist games as it forces the arsonist to ignite without having the mayor doused unless the mafia kills jailor first.
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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby SurvivorHunter » Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:32 pm

alex1234321 wrote:Most of these seem pretty obvious. Personally, I do not always like to jail revealed Mayors. If they are competent and are actually playing the game correctly, then I will jail them. However, I do not want to give up my ability to kill half the scum in the game to help a random lynching Mayor that may even be a detriment to the Town.

You only give up your ability to kill half the scum in the game if you exe the mayor, which is gamethrowing!!! :x Although I can understand why you would do that if he was gamethrowing himself (for instance, using VFR), and I've had to do it a few times to keep that loudmouth quiet, but I don't think executing a mayor is a great play most times.
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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby Daizy » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:33 am

SurvivorHunter wrote:
alex1234321 wrote:Most of these seem pretty obvious. Personally, I do not always like to jail revealed Mayors. If they are competent and are actually playing the game correctly, then I will jail them. However, I do not want to give up my ability to kill half the scum in the game to help a random lynching Mayor that may even be a detriment to the Town.

You only give up your ability to kill half the scum in the game if you exe the mayor, which is gamethrowing!!! :x Although I can understand why you would do that if he was gamethrowing himself (for instance, using VFR), and I've had to do it a few times to keep that loudmouth quiet, but I don't think executing a mayor is a great play most times.



... VFR isn't gamethrowing. If the Mayor was voting up and lynching reasonable and believable Townie claims (such as Jailor, Veteran, Ret, Transporter and any other roles without any evidence against them) then yes, it would be in the Town's best interests to kill the Mayor. But a VFRing Mayor isn't gamethrowing, it's a strategy that is used by the Town. It will probably become way less used and effective when the new Ranked role list is implemented because there will be more Rt slots so more chances for the same role.
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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby alex1234321 » Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:09 pm

SurvivorHunter wrote:
alex1234321 wrote:Most of these seem pretty obvious. Personally, I do not always like to jail revealed Mayors. If they are competent and are actually playing the game correctly, then I will jail them. However, I do not want to give up my ability to kill half the scum in the game to help a random lynching Mayor that may even be a detriment to the Town.

You only give up your ability to kill half the scum in the game if you exe the mayor, which is gamethrowing!!! :x Although I can understand why you would do that if he was gamethrowing himself (for instance, using VFR), and I've had to do it a few times to keep that loudmouth quiet, but I don't think executing a mayor is a great play most times.

I did not mean that you should execute a revealed Mayor. I meant that I would rather try to find scum myself and let the Mayor go unprotected if he is not contributing much or voting for the wrong people during the day.
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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby Joacgroso » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:41 am

alex1234321 wrote:
SurvivorHunter wrote:
alex1234321 wrote:Most of these seem pretty obvious. Personally, I do not always like to jail revealed Mayors. If they are competent and are actually playing the game correctly, then I will jail them. However, I do not want to give up my ability to kill half the scum in the game to help a random lynching Mayor that may even be a detriment to the Town.

You only give up your ability to kill half the scum in the game if you exe the mayor, which is gamethrowing!!! :x Although I can understand why you would do that if he was gamethrowing himself (for instance, using VFR), and I've had to do it a few times to keep that loudmouth quiet, but I don't think executing a mayor is a great play most times.

I did not mean that you should execute a revealed Mayor. I meant that I would rather try to find scum myself and let the Mayor go unprotected if he is not contributing much or voting for the wrong people during the day.

Also, evils would probably think that he was jailed, so he probably wouldn't be attacked. Even if they thought he weren't jailed, they would still be scared of the lookouts, bodyguards, transporters, and even crusaders and trappers.
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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby wozearly » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:44 pm

TrueGuardian32 wrote:This is a Jailor Tip list from me.

7. Another given, if Mayor reveals unless it late game and you know who mafia/NK is you jail that Mayor and protect him during night.



...although be wary of doing this in games with a Coven Leader or Witch, unless you've already seen their cold, dead corpse in the graveyard.
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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby Shilster » Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:24 am

SurvivorHunter wrote:I've had to do it a few times to keep that loudmouth quiet, but I don't think executing a mayor is a great play most times.


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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby Simowl » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:43 pm

I really hate jailing revealed Mayors. I don't bother.
Jailor is an incredibly powerful role compared - to safely (as in, not revealing yourself) interrogate others and exe them. Mayors aren't that powerful. The three votes is good but it's only late game when you actually need that, early on when town has majority it's not really any good.
So IMO don't jail the revealed Mayor, you're so much more useful than that.
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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby TrueGuardian32 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:47 pm

Simowl wrote:I really hate jailing revealed Mayors. I don't bother.
Jailor is an incredibly powerful role compared - to safely (as in, not revealing yourself) interrogate others and exe them. Mayors aren't that powerful. The three votes is good but it's only late game when you actually need that, early on when town has majority it's not really any good.
So IMO don't jail the revealed Mayor, you're so much more useful than that.


I just laughed at that.

Jailor is one of the most powerful in the game as long as it has it's executions yes.
But a Mayor is in no way weaker. It can lynch every person incredibly easily. It's nerfed in terms of communication yes. But it is a King that leads the town, and can get others to die just as easily as Jailor.
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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby DumbStorm » Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:53 am

SurvivorHunter wrote:
alex1234321 wrote:Most of these seem pretty obvious. Personally, I do not always like to jail revealed Mayors. If they are competent and are actually playing the game correctly, then I will jail them. However, I do not want to give up my ability to kill half the scum in the game to help a random lynching Mayor that may even be a detriment to the Town.

You only give up your ability to kill half the scum in the game if you exe the mayor, which is gamethrowing!!! :x Although I can understand why you would do that if he was gamethrowing himself (for instance, using VFR), and I've had to do it a few times to keep that loudmouth quiet, but I don't think executing a mayor is a great play most times.


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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby Cirque » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:19 am

SurvivorHunter wrote:I've had to do it a few times to keep that loudmouth quiet, but I don't think executing a mayor is a great play most times.

You should never execute a Mayor unless they are 100% gamethrowing. VFR is not gamethrowing. It has proven to help Town win more games.

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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby Salamandos35 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:43 am

Still don't understand why people treat VFR as if its hell itself. I don't think I ever will. And executing a mayor over playing in a way that is extremely beneficial but annoys some town members... what exactly the fuck must be going on in your head as you press the button?

On the other hand... by the time a mayor has revealed (often later in the game), you're normally better off focusing down the evils, rather than wasting one powerful townie's night to protect another one. That's what trans, TP and LO are all for. Let them do their job and you do yours.
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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby HereThereEverywhere » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:03 am

Protection is only a small part of Jailor's abilities, whereas it's the entire job of the Town Protective alignment. If there's TP alive and well, they should probably be on the Mayor while Jailor collects claims and searches for scum. Of course, there are exceptions to everything.
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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby TrueGuardian32 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:21 am

HereThereEverywhere wrote:Protection is only a small part of Jailor's abilities, whereas it's the entire job of the Town Protective alignment. If there's TP alive and well, they should probably be on the Mayor while Jailor collects claims and searches for scum. Of course, there are exceptions to everything.


I can both disagree and agree with this.

TP Doctor can't protect Mayor
TP BG can only protect Mayor once.

The only Role I see that can reliably protect Mayor outside of Jailor would be the transporter.
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Re: True's Jailor Tip List

Postby HereThereEverywhere » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:27 am

When the TP dies, Jailor should be on Mayor. Doctor not being able to protect Mayor is pretty stupid, why is it only Mayor? They can protect Jailor, which is equally unfair. Combine that with a Lookout and Mafia is unable to touch the Jailor in any way.
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