Thread for BAD Strategies

[DankaldTrump]

My view is this:

A day 1 claim is a survivor announcing themselves to mafia and NK to avoid getting attacked, implying that they will potentially be useful to said evils later on.

So I view a day 1 survivor claim as someone planning on joining up with mafia or NK, and if I am vigilante, you bet your ass I shoot them as soon as possible.

And you bet your A$$ i am going to vest

And honestly when a surv reveals day 1, it's not only to have scums avoid visiting them, its also to help town narrow the list. so you can focus on finding the roles that REALLY hurt the town. All in all, I just want to live as a surv, i don't care with who, town, maf, or neutrals, i just want to live, leave me the heck alone.

cheers

[Arshane]

My view is this:

A day 1 claim is a survivor announcing themselves to mafia and NK to avoid getting attacked, implying that they will potentially be useful to said evils later on.

So I view a day 1 survivor claim as someone planning on joining up with mafia or NK, and if I am vigilante, you bet your ass I shoot them as soon as possible.

And you bet your A$$ i am going to vest

And honestly when a surv reveals day 1, it's not only to have scums avoid visiting them, its also to help town narrow the list. so you can focus on finding the roles that REALLY hurt the town. All in all, I just want to live as a surv, i don't care with who, town, maf, or neutrals, i just want to live, leave me the heck alone.

cheers

I love teaming up with an escort as a vig to make sure the surv is killed. A neutral is gone and two roles are proven (a consort will almost NEVER do this)

[SarahSaurus]

Why Day 1 Survivor claims are bad:

A) you can't PROVE you're survivor, instead of say, GF or WW or Arso.
B) Survivor is NOT town, and when town has no other leads, you're an easy target to take out "just in case".
C) Survivors can stall votes by simply not doing anything to "remain neutral"- and not voting certainly does NOT help town, and can even hurt them.
D) Survivors side with whoever has majority, because that's how they win. That means essentially Mafia gets majority vote a day earlier.

Why Claiming Survivor Day 1 is bad:

A) All of the above
B) It's an absolutely terrible and lazy "strategy". People who claim day 1 and expect to be given a free ride the whole game are lazy and not willing to put effort into their win. They then almost always cry about it when they get killed. If you're going to take the most effortless path, you can't complain when it doesn't work. Don't blame others for trying to be strategical just because YOU didn't want to try better plays.

[Kirgo]

As Exe accuse someone as Vampire.

If he claims anything but Doc you can say he was bitten and isnt a townie anymore.

[ItsmeCreature]

Trying to get the real survivor lynched as jester with TK alive.

[DankaldTrump]

I will just leave it at I disagree with you all, in all the games I win as surv, I have won them all, and I always claim day 1 or 2.

but lets just drop the topic and agree to disagree.

cheers

[Mistikman]

I will just leave it at I disagree with you all, in all the games I win as surv, I have won them all, and I always claim day 1 or 2.

but lets just drop the topic and agree to disagree.

cheers

Well I guess I wouldn't list day 1 claiming as survivor as a bad strategy, since it does lead to victories for a lot of survivors. I just personally view it as highly suspicious and expressing of intent to side with evil, so if I am town I will get you killed if it is within my power to do so and you claimed day 1.

[SarahSaurus]

Really, this game works in cycles and phases. There will be a phase where most people want to be nice, or view Survivor as an ally, and therefore they leave Survivors alone. As this continues to happen though, people start to realize Survivor is an EASY claim if you're evil and immune (GF and NK)- because all you have to do is claim Survivor, and town will leave you alone. Even if you get attacked, you can just say you used your vest. Well, once lots of people start fake-claiming Survivor, townies can't afford to just leave Survivor claims alone, because half the time they're not really even Survivors at all. Now it becomes a tactical move to kill off Survivors, so people start lynching/executing survivors almost every game. After a while of this, everyone stops fake-claiming Survivor, because it's just going to get them killed. Once the fake-claims die down (and with the help of people who'd rather be nice than tactical), towns slow down on the Survivor lynches/executes. And it all starts over.

Trust me, I remember having this same argument about Survivors a YEAR ago. It just cycles around. If the game is in the right phase, or you can gauge whether your town is going to kill survivors or not, then yes, claiming Survivor can work well. However, I still say that it is a lazy move and I still say that it is almost always going to be better for town to kill off survivor claims than not to.

[DankaldTrump]

Really, this game works in cycles and phases. There will be a phase where most people want to be nice, or view Survivor as an ally, and therefore they leave Survivors alone. As this continues to happen though, people start to realize Survivor is an EASY claim if you're evil and immune (GF and NK)- because all you have to do is claim Survivor, and town will leave you alone. Even if you get attacked, you can just say you used your vest. Well, once lots of people start fake-claiming Survivor, townies can't afford to just leave Survivor claims alone, because half the time they're not really even Survivors at all. Now it becomes a tactical move to kill off Survivors, so people start lynching/executing survivors almost every game. After a while of this, everyone stops fake-claiming Survivor, because it's just going to get them killed. Once the fake-claims die down (and with the help of people who'd rather be nice than tactical), towns slow down on the Survivor lynches/executes. And it all starts over.

Trust me, I remember having this same argument about Survivors a YEAR ago. It just cycles around. If the game is in the right phase, or you can gauge whether your town is going to kill survivors or not, then yes, claiming Survivor can work well. However, I still say that it is a lazy move and I still say that it is almost always going to be better for town to kill off survivor claims than not to.

I would just like to say I have never played a game "lazily" ever, and I don't ever plan to.

[becauseimbatman]

-Claiming witch as Mayor.

False. I actually had a scenario where this saved me and got Town the win.

Trust me, I remember having this same argument about Survivors a YEAR ago. It just cycles around.

Can confirm. I used to be a Survivor savior when I started.

Bad strats:

Say the name of your teammates in Mafia chat in hopes to fool a Spy.
Leave the game without reason.
Lynching the only Jailor claim.
Roleblocking a confirmed TI to prove yourself.

[Mistikman]

-Claiming witch as Mayor.

False. I actually had a scenario where this saved me and got Town the win.

Even bad strategies work once in awhile. It's still a terrible strategy in general that will backfire far more often than it works.

[sylwia212]

Bad strategy:

Saying "How do I reveal?" or other obvious baits as veteran hoping to kill off scum. Chances are, you will kill TP instead of mafia / NK.

[Technetium]

Bad strategy: Claiming Jester as non-Jester scum. If you claim it on trial, you will not be believed. If you claim it in jail, Jailor will kill you. If you claim it in day, you will die at night, be revealed as immune, or get lynched because they don't believe you. Or they'll lynch you to let you "win" in some cases.

[Megalomancer]

I claim survivor D1 just so that I can get other survivor claims lynched more easily (as town).

Bad strategies:

Lying about your role as a townie other than veteran/vigi swap

Uh...

[TorqueRxF]

Claiming jester to the town killing in whisper, as the mayor. *wink wink*

[Megalomancer]

I claim survivor D1 just so that I can get other survivor claims lynched more easily (as town).

Bad strategies:

Lying about your role as a townie other than veteran/vigi swap

Uh...

This thread for bad strategies Matt. One of those is a bad strategy. The other ones good if you know what you're doing.

No, I'm pointing out that it's ironic.

[Mindslayer]

"i win thanks for getting my target lynched )"

[VoidRuler]

As mafia:
- Innoing a teammate that's obviously going to die
- Not telling a role to Mayor
- Not having a fake will or role claim prepared
- Not claiming anything on stand (Could somewhat work if you're trying to pretend to be fake Jester, but still is bad)

As town:
- Not voting for someone confirmed evil
- Not voting at all claiming everything is "RANDOM VOTING1111!!!!!11" and bad
- Being AFK
- Not claiming a role to confirmed Town
- Keeping important leads to yourself
- Ranting about Mayor, trying to lynch Mayor, or purposefully not cooperating with Mayor
- Not keeping a will

[Deldris]

Announcing that you're Ret and that you're going to try to revive someone.

Seriously, why do people do this?

[testaccount1234]

Are you a Veteran? On day one, claim you are an investigator and watch as all the baddies get killed by your alert!

[oliy]

Claiming any Neutral in Jail besides Amnesiac
Disguising
Lynching the Mafia in Rainbow as SK or Arsonist

[PaganEthos]

I've come across this a few times lately, and that's a townie putting a different name in their will.

I expect Jesters might do this - they're killed at night, it's a bummer, and they want to cause a final mayhem.

However, when townies do it without any knowledge of the role they are stitching up chances are they'll put the spotlight on an inno. Last game I played was with an escort who died and in her will she called herself 'Blood Orange'. A couple of townies noted the will and Blood was assumed to be disguiser. The argument on the stand was that the escort's will was forged, but he was lynched anyway (sheriff). After I died, the escort admitted her will wasn't forged and that she did this 'just for fun'.... Really?

So, is it gamethrowing and reportable, or is there some strategy here that I'm missing?

Yeah ... Blood Orange could have been a scum role, but the Escort had no idea.

[Buettel]

I've come across this a few times lately, and that's a townie putting a different name in their will.

I expect Jesters might do this - they're killed at night, it's a bummer, and they want to cause a final mayhem.

However, when townies do it without any knowledge of the role they are stitching up chances are they'll put the spotlight on an inno. Last game I played was with an escort who died and in her will she called herself 'Blood Orange'. A couple of townies noted the will and Blood was assumed to be disguiser. The argument on the stand was that the escort's will was forged, but he was lynched anyway (sheriff). After I died, the escort admitted her will wasn't forged and that she did this 'just for fun'.... Really?

So, is it gamethrowing and reportable, or is there some strategy here that I'm missing?

Yeah ... Blood Orange could have been a scum role, but the Escort had no idea.

I know that people do that successfully sometimes, but you should no do this unless you are absolutely sure ... . I sometimes write stuff like: "If I die, XXX might be evil" in my will. I love it to random vote on someone to get a reaction. If his reaction is that he wants to kill me, I note that in my last will and get him lynched sometimes, but I would never write a wrong name in my will.

Disguising

Something that should not work at all worked multiple times against me, when someone stole my identity. Town was too dumb to actually read my will (containing my name ...). It can also work if someone uses a similar name. I recently had a game when "Dude" disguised as "Dudle" and none noticed until "Dudle" was lynched.

[SarahSaurus]

-Waiting as Retri when there is a dead BG and Spy n1. They're both really good roles worth reviving early, so just go for it

[Technetium]

Claiming any Neutral in Jail besides Amnesiac

If you're not Amne, the Jailor will kill you when he doesn't see you remembering, probably.