slight poisoner Buff

[Jackparrot]

Good evening everyone, and I have a proposal for a buff to poisoner. My proposal is: Instead of poisoner's poison becoming uncureable, her poison affects the person immediately(that night). That is all I have to propose for poisoner. (right now!)

[Shilster]

Soooooooooo, make it a Serial Killer with no defense?

[HereThereEverywhere]

Poisoner is already a really strong role, and it doesn't need any buff other than being uncureable.

[Mystoc]

BUT THEN IT'S JUST MAFIOSO , ALSO WHEN YOU GET NECRONOMICON IT DOES THIS ALL READY

ok thats all ty yea bad idea /nosupport

[Jackparrot]

Poisoner is already a really strong role, and it doesn't need any buff other than being uncureable.

This isnt a buff, it merly makes poisoner more balenced by making docter useful.(poisoner loses her uncureable poison)

[HereThereEverywhere]

It also ruins the point of the role and makes it less original.

[Shilster]

Jack, I don't know if you've heard of this word, so I'm just going to say it. BALANCE.

[HereThereEverywhere]

Shil, I don't know if you've heard this, but I'll just say it. You're not being helpful. You're really not. That post contributes literally nothing to the conversation, except the fact that it's a clear insult to Jack.

[junkymonky43]

I think he is saying that you get it with necromicon
nah , poisiner dosent need a change.

[Jackparrot]

It also ruins the point of the role and makes it less original.

1. balence > lore

2. Yeah i get that poisoner is daleyed killer but balence wise she could kill enemies more easily and have more chance to win, (ok i guess it is a buff but she loses her uncureable poison). And lore wise poisoner could have fast acting poison such as cyanide or Tedrotoxin.

[HereThereEverywhere]

The point of a role isn't lore. The point of Vampire Hunter is to hunt vampires, if you took away it's abilities and made it into a Lookout clone, that destroys the purpose of the role and makes it another role. The point of Poisoner is to be a strong but delayed killer for Coven. It doesn't need any buff beyond Doctor not being able to heal, because players can still share info before they die.

[Jackparrot]

yes however as poisoner is only able to overcome docs this is based off lore and not balence, the reason poisoner needs to lose unstoppable poison is so town has a chance of saving this person when tp is doc.

Poisoner needs this change as currently, poisoner is at risk of being found before her poison can take effect, mainly in late game. EX: bob the invest finds Jerme the poisoner and on the the same night he poisons bob. in this case it is a town win as bob tells town he found the poisoner. where as with my buff bob dies and there fore jerme remains safe.

[HereThereEverywhere]

You're buffing it to be like Serial Killer, which doesn't need to happen. Serial Killer should be stronger than Poisoner because SK is alone, this buff makes them basically a Serial Killer. I know they don't have defense, but still. The role isn't based off of lore, it's based off of the fact that if a Doctor can heal them then there's nothing special about Poisoner and there's no reason to prefer the role.

[Jackparrot]

No, I find that doc should still remian useful after poisoner gets necro thats why i suggested this

[Soulshade55r]

To be fair posioners Necronomicon buff is normally useless, this buff is pretty stupid honestly

[HereThereEverywhere]

No, I find that doc should still remian useful after poisoner gets necro thats why i suggested this

What about with Arsonist? We should make it so Doctor heals against Arsonist so it's still useful, right? No, we shouldn't, because Arso doesn't need that nerf. Just like Poisoner doesn't need this one.

[Jackparrot]

No, I find that doc should still remian useful after poisoner gets necro thats why i suggested this

What about with Arsonist? We should make it so Doctor heals against Arsonist so it's still useful, right? No, we shouldn't, because Arso doesn't need that nerf. Just like Poisoner doesn't need this one.

1. its a buff
2. Arso is NK and has to wait several nights before killing
3. poisoner doesnt need this, town does as in a late game senario with TP as doc it is more balenced as
poisoner currently only get garrenteed kills, that cannot be stopped which is bad as she is invincible.

[HereThereEverywhere]

Poisoner needs to be a strong killer because it has literally no utility. It needs to be stronger than roles like Medusa at killing because it has no utility. Medusa is stopped by Doctor because Medusa cleans people it kills, so it doesn't need a buff. If you change Poisoner like this, there is literally no reason to ever want a Poisoner over a Medusa, you make it worse than other strong killing Coven roles.