VFM39 | Mafia Wins

[MafiaMenace]

VFM 39
hey
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Rules:

Awards - This is not an official game, therefore official titles will not be rewarded. You will, however, be able to brag about your fantastic FM skills should you win.

Respect - Any forms of harassment, whether it be racial, sexual or just general abuse will not be tolerated. You have been warned. While it's normal for FM to become tense and heated, there's a limit. If you feel like you're getting stressed then take a break and come back later.

Inactivity - If a player has not posted in the thread for 24 hours they will be prodded. They will then have 16 hours to post or they will be replaced. If someone has to be prodded a second time they will be removed from the game and they will be replaced. Posts with no content will not count towards resetting the prod timer. What counts as content will be decided by the host.

Gamethrowing - Any attempt to intentionally make your faction lose the game may result in being blacklisted from future games. This can include jesting. All your actions must be done with the goal of winning as your faction and you should have a clear, logical explanation for your actions.

Communication - Living players must not communicate with other players outside the thread(s) designated to this game. Dead and living players are not allowed to communicate either. No codes, encryptions, or anything that gives people an out of game advantage over other players.

Private Messages - When submitting night actions or asking game-related questions, please ensure you include "VFM 39" somewhere in the subject.

Voting - Make sure to bold your votes or they may not be counted. Spelling isn't important as long as everyone can get the basic gist of who you're voting for.
Put votes in a separate line and avoid putting them inside spoilers. Unvotes are not required if you wish to change your vote.

Fun - This is a game, so treat it as such. No-one likes saltiness.
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Setup:

Doctor
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Mafia A Goon
Mafia A Goon

Mafia B Goon
Mafia B Goon

• Lynches are plurality and majority based.
• The nightkill will fail if both Mafia A and Mafia B target the same player.
• Both mafia groups are not immune to the nightkill.
• Mafia only has nightchat.
• 72/24 hour phases.

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Rolecards:

Town:
Spoiler:

Doctor

You are a Doctor.

Your alignment is Town Protective.

You are this town's doctor, and have kept everybody healthy for years.

You have the ability to visit one person each night. If they are attacked that night, you arrive just in time to save their life.
You may not visit the same player twice in a row.

You win with the Town
You must kill the Mafia

Citizen

You are a Citizen.

Your alignment is Town Citizen.

You don't have any special ability and just try to live your life in peace.

Each day you get to vote in an attempt to remove the Mafia from the community.

You win with the Town
You must kill the Mafia

Mafia:
Spoiler:

Mafia A Goon

You are a Goon.

Your alignment is Mafia Goon.

You are a goon in the Mafia; the bottom rung of the ladder. Your complete lack of authority is made up for with cunning in spades.

You have no special abilties, you may do the factional kill each night and vote during the day.

Your ally is [x] the role.

You win with the Mafia
You must kill the Town

Mafia B Goon

You are a Goon.

Your alignment is Mafia Goon.

You are a goon in the Mafia; the bottom rung of the ladder. Your complete lack of authority is made up for with cunning in spades.

You have no special abilties, you may do the factional kill each night and vote during the day.

Your ally is [x] the role.

You win with the Mafia
You must kill the Town

[MafiaMenace]

Alive:

Spoiler:

1. Chemist1422
2. Phone0Ix
3. MoustachioMario *
4. Crimson97

* denotes a prod

Graveyard:

Spoiler:

1. Cenvil2 - Hanged Day 1 - Mafia B Goon
2. Eragon1329 - Killed Night 1 - Citizen
3. lilmonix- Killed Night 1 - Citizen
4. Royee - Hanged Day 2 - Citizen
5. Jalandh - Killed Night 2 - Citizen
6. Kears123 - Killed Night 2 - Doctor
7. UzayAltay - Hanged Day 3 - Citizen
8. khakha1036 jane01 - Killed Night 3 - Mafia B Goon
9. OptimisticalOne - Killed Night 4 - Citizen
10. RevengeoftheRaccoon - Hanged Day 5 - Citizen

ISO's

Spoiler: MafiaMenace
ZSSDistortion

Chemist1422
Phone0Ix
Jalandh
RevengeoftheRaccoon
MoustachioMario
lilmonix
khakha1036 jane01
Royee
UzayAltay
Kears123
Cenvil2
OptimisticalOne
Crimson97
Eragon1329

[MafiaMenace]

Rolecards are being randomised and sent out.

[MafiaMenace]

Please reconfirm your Rolecard.

[MafiaMenace]

Day 1 Begins!
It will end at 4:03 PM on Wednesday, November 5th.

[khakha1036]

*yawn*

[Chemist1422]

[am on mobile, insert jontron I’m done here]

[Jalandh]

Why did noone else wotc this

/vote MoustachioMario

[Chemist1422]

Why did noone else wotc this

/vote MoustachioMario

I, for one, did

[khakha1036]

are we that kind of village on the hill that has high crime rate but only a doc

[Chemist1422]

are we that kind of village on the hill that has high crime rate but only a doc

Meh we just let the criminals kill each other

[Phone0Ix]

(fake) lol I received link to mafia chat by accident

Err deja vu

[Phone0Ix]

Why did noone else wotc this

/vote MoustachioMario

Because Mario can be nice and it's mean to kick someone out of the game

[khakha1036]

(fake) lol I received link to mafia chat by accident

This is town motive

/elect phone

[khakha1036]

About time we elect a village head

[lilmonix]

(fake) lol I received link to mafia chat by accident

Err deja vu

So the fake thing is the accident part?

[OptimisticalOne]

I had no real idea who was bad enough to wotc out as i've only ever played with about half of these players, and that was once.

Also, Good luck to everyone!

[lilmonix]

I had no real idea who was bad enough to wotc out as i've only ever played with about half of these players, and that was once.

Also, Good luck to everyone!

I guess good luck goes for that the game runs smoothly as much as playing well at this point.

[lilmonix]

Is my avatar broken? I thought I uploaded a selfie but nothing seems to be showing for me right now.

[Eragon1329]

A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, I am the doc.

Benefits:

1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the doc. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the doc cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.

2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I've ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all Ihave to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I *know* that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not $#@! up and lynch me. Makes my life super awesome.

3. There are only 12 players you need to try to read, rather than 13: I have already provided a "free" check of me in a game with a mere 13 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:

The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the doc, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.

It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.

It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of doing this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt.

[OptimisticalOne]

I had no real idea who was bad enough to wotc out as i've only ever played with about half of these players, and that was once.

Also, Good luck to everyone!

I guess good luck goes for that the game runs smoothly as much as playing well at this point.

The only reason we re-rolled was because I was given the mafia night chat as Citizen. I'm sure it won't happen again.

[lilmonix]

Eragon, might you be the type to enjoy long novels?

[Eragon1329]

Eragon, might you be the type to enjoy long novels?

indeed

[Crimson97]

(fake) lol I received link to mafia chat by accident

Err deja vu

(serious) lol I received link to mafia chat by accident

[OptimisticalOne]

Spoiler:

A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, I am the doc.

Benefits:

1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the doc. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the doc cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.

2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I've ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all Ihave to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I *know* that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not $#@! up and lynch me. Makes my life super awesome.

3. There are only 12 players you need to try to read, rather than 13: I have already provided a "free" check of me in a game with a mere 13 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:

The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the doc, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.

It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.

It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of doing this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt.

Hmm. This'll be interestng.

Also, i'm assuming that wolves are another term for scum?