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by **Imatreeant** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:59 pm

pumacatrun2 wrote:
Sevohaseth wrote:@Purple I would suggest taking jman out of the confirmed slot. We have a second plausible TS claim now and jman's play yesterday was very scummy.

but i was legitimately roleblocked like 100%
and consort can't role given the list, unless you're really believing capo retrained themselves into consort which idk

purple, why do you see the first situation more likely? a DJ, Ryan, nprom, fake cit scumteam does make decent sense

i get that you're all jumpy over caring about the transporter claim more than a sheriff claim but i'm seriously not going to be convinced until two of the confirmed town confirm that they were transported. maybe they aren't the best lynch for today, but tomorrow for sure if their results yield nothing

it might be safer to take a non confirmed towny and a confirmed role, this way its easier to save a Confirmed towny(in example a sherrif) in exchange for lets say me(a citizen)

by **npromin1** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:03 pm

I say Voxel should transport himself with somebody else, Jman should roleblock Voxel, and Sevohaseth should watch Voxel, and Voxel should be visited by himself twice and jman. This works because there are certain roles that are immune to roleblocks.

by **pumacatrun2** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:08 pm

Imatreeant wrote:
pumacatrun2 wrote:
Sevohaseth wrote:@Purple I would suggest taking jman out of the confirmed slot. We have a second plausible TS claim now and jman's play yesterday was very scummy.

but i was legitimately roleblocked like 100%
and consort can't role given the list, unless you're really believing capo retrained themselves into consort which idk

purple, why do you see the first situation more likely? a DJ, Ryan, nprom, fake cit scumteam does make decent sense

i get that you're all jumpy over caring about the transporter claim more than a sheriff claim but i'm seriously not going to be convinced until two of the confirmed town confirm that they were transported. maybe they aren't the best lynch for today, but tomorrow for sure if their results yield nothing

it might be safer to take a non confirmed towny and a confirmed role, this way its easier to save a Confirmed towny(in example a sherrif) in exchange for lets say me(a citizen)

actually leave it to wifom i don't want scum killing the second person being transported
i just want two people to claim transported pretty much, preferably at least one conf
will leave it up to vox if they are indeed trans

npromin1 wrote:I say Voxel should transport himself with somebody else, Jman should roleblock Voxel, and Sevohaseth should watch Voxel, and Voxel should be visited by himself twice and jman. This works because there are certain roles that are immune to roleblocks.

wait why would jman come up if he's transporting himself with somebody else? the other person would get visited not him

by **PurpleSidewalk1** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:11 pm

npromin1 wrote:I say Voxel should transport himself with somebody else, Jman should roleblock Voxel, and Sevohaseth should watch Voxel, and Voxel should be visited by himself twice and jman. This works because there are certain roles that are immune to roleblocks.

Sevo should be doing something more useful. We know jman is escort or consort. We will know if Voxel is transport if he transports someone and they are transported. There is no reason to waste the actions of 3 possible townies to get a complicated result.

pumacatrun2 wrote:purple, why do you see the first situation more likely? a DJ, Ryan, nprom, fake cit scumteam does make decent sense

i get that you're all jumpy over caring about the transporter claim more than a sheriff claim but i'm seriously not going to be convinced until two of the confirmed town confirm that they were transported. maybe they aren't the best lynch for today, but tomorrow for sure if their results yield nothing

I definitely don't think we should do anything under the assumption that DJ is telling the truth which is why I am not immediately lynching you or nprom (although I believe nprom is 100% scum). I don't want to work off of my assumptions I want to use those assumptions after trans is confirmed. I need the information from both Sevo and Wolf in order to actually decide who I want to lynch and which scenario is real and which is fantasy.

pumacatrun2 wrote:
Sevohaseth wrote:@Purple I would suggest taking jman out of the confirmed slot. We have a second plausible TS claim now and jman's play yesterday was very scummy.

but i was legitimately roleblocked like 100%
and consort can't role given the list, unless you're really believing capo retrained themselves into consort which idk

It is impossible for Capo to retrain himself given the rolelist and the mafia kills. Unless I operate under the assumption that both sheriff claims are false which I don't believe to be the case.

Imatreeant wrote:there are 6 cit spots, who were the ones that claimed cit?

Sevohaseth wrote:@Purple I would suggest taking jman out of the confirmed slot. We have a second plausible TS claim now and jman's play yesterday was very scummy.

I say he is confirmed because consort could not possibly be the Random Mafia slot, and it is impossible for Capo to retrain himself with the mafia kills (unless both sheriffs are lying). It is likely that jman is legit which is why I have him as confirmed (on my personal copy I have "semi-confirmed" but I removed that in the one I posted for consistency sake since it is my opinion that he could be scum). I do see jman as a scummy player, but I think it is because he is bad at being town not because he is not town.

by **PurpleSidewalk1** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:13 pm

PokemonKidRyan what were your night results? Did you sleep peacefully? Just for clarity sake.

by **Imatreeant** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:24 pm

why call me sus?

by **PurpleSidewalk1** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:37 pm

Imatreeant wrote:why call me sus?

I thought I had a reason but after looking through my notes and your ISO I can't find it. I think it might have been one of the other cits that was a little suspicious. Idk but it seems in day 3 you have been nothing short of helpful so I retract that read.

by **Imatreeant** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:39 pm

@Purplesidewalk im learning

by **npromin1** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:40 pm

I read PurpleSidewalk1 as scum, specfically as the bomber.

by **PokemonKidRyan** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:49 pm

PurpleSidewalk1 wrote:PokemonKidRyan what were your night results? Did you sleep peacefully? Just for clarity sake.

Slept peacefully. Found Wolf to be suspicious (Mafia or framed)

by **PurpleSidewalk1** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:51 pm

npromin1 wrote:I read PurpleSidewalk1 as scum, specfically as the bomber.

That's nice. I'm citizen. I am literally just trying to listen to what people say and trying to figure out exactly what it means in the game as a whole. My scenarios don't even inhibit myself from being portrayed as scum. I'm not trying to shift the blame I'm just trying to rationalize the information. You have given no real reason for the accusation and at this point I really really don't trust you. I don't see a way (other than both sheriffs being scum which throws off my entire perspective) in which you could possibly be town.

by **Imatreeant** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:00 pm

reading Purple's ISO he cant say he is scum, but i also cant say he is Confirmed, its just that he keeps helping town, or hes a damn smart bomber

by **Unorthodox1337** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:34 pm

So I'm pretty sure these are the current roleclaims.

Town Investigative - Sevo
Town Support - jman
Town Killing - expertnoob
Random Town- Ryan (sheriff)
Random Town- DJ (trans)
Random Town- Wolf (sheriff, right?)
Random Town- nprom (doctor)
Random Town- Puma (TI, I forgot which he claimed)
3 extra RT claims

Citizen Claims (1 extra claim):
Purple, Ima, cxl, unorthodox, Krazi, murat

Mafia Head- Godfather
Random Mafia- framer/consort/consigliere

So today, we hear from Ryan that he saw Wolf as a mafia. Of course, there is a possibility of being framed. However, I don't think that Wolf is the consigliere as he claimed sheriff (if he claimed investigator, let's lynch him later on incase I misread). A sheriff claim is known to be weak, especially when you have the powerful consigliere role. I don't see Wolf making "sick plays". Also, his early action of "soft claiming" (it was a medium claim if anything; IMO it screamed that he was claiming TI) does appear suspicious. Therefore, Wolf is likely a mafia member.
So what can we learn from Wolf being mafia?

First of all, that means that if Wolf is the mafia he could be anything. A sheriff claim is a very weak claim, and can be taken for any role. I also think it's very suspicious/odd how Jman blocked Zero N1 and Puma N2, who I hear is suspicious of being scum. Therefore, if we have no better targets I'd like Jman to roleblock me for the night. If Wolf is the random mafia, then Jman is most likely the actual escort, unless he is pretending to be an escort and is truly the godfather. Wolf can't be godfather if Ryan is telling the truth. Ryan, IMHO, has no reason to randomly accuse Wolf as being mafia unless his goal is for the mislynch, which would be foolish. Also, he should know that with the bomber present we will have no desire to go for the "mafia".
Therefore, I think Wolf is truly the random mafia or have a slight possibility of being the bomber. If he was the bomber, then Ryan would either be lying or we have a framer on our hands.

So what about the other RT? What strikes me odd is nprom's immediate statement that the bomber "has" to be within the citizens. Why?
We have 3 TI claims, which many are weak. We have a doctor claim (nprom), which is also a weak claim. Also, we have a transporter claim, who hasn't trans'd anyone.

I do not think that the transporter is the bomber at the moment. If he was, we'd see tomorrow that there is no bomber and we'd have him lynched.
I don't think Ryan is the bomber. His attack against Wolf by stating he saw Wolf as mafia would bring alert to him potentially.
I do not think that Wolf is the bomber as he showed up as mafia as Ryan.
I am not sure about puma's activities. I do not know which TI role he claimed, so therefore I can't accuse him at this time.
Therefore, I determine that there is 1 candidate left of the RT claims who can be the bomber: npromin1
On the other hand, npromin1 can been witch and claimed to witch himself and therefore can't be the witch. It wouldn't be an unlikely claim also, if he indeed is the doctor.

Top Candidates for Bomber:
npromin1
puma
Wolf

We still have 3 whole days to do something, so we could potentially lynch my guys unless we have better evidence/leads.

However, we still await Sevo's and Wolf's results. Until then, no further action should be taken and we should hope they do respond within the next couple of hours.
Also, I think I've seen 2 people think that they know who some of the scum are. Please spill the beans to make the deduction easier!

Things we Need:
Can someone give me a PbPa or a brief summary of why Puma acts like scum?
Can someone tell me which TI role Puma claimed again?
Most importantly are Sevo's and Wolf's results.

by **Imatreeant** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:39 pm

Puma claimed Sherrif, and his leads and reads are non scum, however like i said i dont trust him 100% yet

by **npromin1** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:47 pm

Also Wolf claimed investigator, not sheriff.

by **Imatreeant** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:49 pm

Town Investigative - Sevo(lookout)
Town Support - jman(escort)
Town Killing - expertnoob(not telling us)
Random Town- Ryan (sheriff)
Random Town- DJ (trans)
Random Town- Wolf (Invest)
Random Town- nprom (doctor)
Random Town- Puma (Sheriff)
3 extra RT claims

Citizen Claims (1 extra claim):
Purple, Ima, cxl, unorthodox, Krazi, murat

Mafia Head- Godfather
Random Mafia- framer/consort/consigliere

here is your edit

by **cxl1024** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:00 pm

Hi guys, I slept peacefully. I will be somewhat busy for the next few hours, but will post when I can. For now, here are my thoughts.

Jman and Puma are of separate factions. Why rb someone from your own team?
Npromin is getting very ancy about finding the bomber. Why is he so scared? We have three days, including this one to find him.
Wolf is most likely a consig. I don't trust him all that much, and if he is TI, he definitely needs to contribute more. We need all the help we can get if he is town. I doubt he is though.
I am wary of Puma. Only because I thought Jman was escort, but then Jman rb Puma. One of them is scum, but I am not 100% which one. I want to hear from Jman why he chose to rb Puma.
Voxel, what the fuck? Blunt I know, but if you are transporter, you should have swapped yourself with a citizen claim.
I had more but I lost my train of thought.

by **PurpleSidewalk1** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:01 pm

Thank you, Imatreeant.

Now if jman is consort this is going to be our rolelist:
Spoiler:
Notice both sheriffs are scum because of no framer and Wolf being town, thus making both sheriff results lies and nprom town by default.

The following is a statistical analysis of the RT claim situation:
Spoiler:
Option 2: Wolf and Ryan are RT
Spoiler:
Option 3: Wolf and DJ are RT
Spoiler:

Option 4: Wolf and nprom are RT
Spoiler:

Option 5: Ryan and DJ are RT
Spoiler:
Option 6: Ryan and nprom are RT
Spoiler:
Option 7: nprom and DJ are RT
Spoiler: [/spoiler]
Combinations of puma with anyone besides Wolf were ignored since they don't fit. So puma if you can somehow prove you are town then we win. My analysis results indicate that puma is very likely a neutral role.

by **npromin1** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:03 pm

At this point, there's nothing I can say to convince the town that I am not the bomber, except that I knew something was up about the witch/trans/vig thing yesterday. I think anyone who hops on the bus to lynch me with a citizen claim is suspicious of being the bomber, because they are the real bomber trying to mis-lynch. If the bomber fuse didn't go off, I would vote against myself just so that you could see my true role, and you'd instantly know who out of the random town claims is lying. Basically, I'd vote for myself so I can win. Unfortunatly, the fuse did go off, and so I won't be voting myself because we can't afford to waste a lynch. All I'm saying is like last time, I have "behind-the-scenes" information, but first I want to hear Sevohaseth and Wolf's results first.

by **Imatreeant** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:04 pm

cxl1024 wrote:Hi guys, I slept peacefully. I will be somewhat busy for the next few hours, but will post when I can. For now, here are my thoughts.

Jman and Puma are of separate factions. Why rb someone from your own team?
Npromin is getting very ancy about finding the bomber. Why is he so scared? We have three days, including this one to find him.
Wolf is most likely a consig. I don't trust him all that much, and if he is TI, he definitely needs to contribute more. We need all the help we can get if he is town. I doubt he is though.
I am wary of Puma. Only because I thought Jman was escort, but then Jman rb Puma. One of them is scum, but I am not 100% which one. I want to hear from Jman why he chose to rb Puma.
Voxel, what the fuck? Blunt I know, but if you are transporter, you should have swapped yourself with a citizen claim.
I had more but I lost my train of thought.

so basically Jman or Puma is Scum

Wolf is most likely scum

Npromin is in fear(who is not?) of the bomb

anyways im going to sleep, its 1 am here 8-)

il read up in about 7-8 hours

by **Unorthodox1337** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:16 pm

On my phone so this will be short:

Wolf: 99% consig
Puma: #1 bomber candidate
Ryan probably sheriff.
Nprom: his offer to vote himself up is off putting my scum read TBH. This is my first FM game, so let me know if offering to lynch yourself is a viable play for scum like a bluff. I still think could be bomber/witch.

I haven't seen many of the citizens talk throughout these days or I missed them. Therefore, if also like a proposed citizen bomber candidate.

by **npromin1** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:18 pm

Unorthodox1337 wrote:Nprom: his offer to vote himself up is off putting my scum read TBH. This is my first FM game, so let me know if offering to lynch yourself is a viable play for scum like a bluff. I still think could be bomber/witch.

I said I would normally lynch myself, but not now because the fuse went off. And if the fuse didn't go off, and everyone accused me of being scummy, I would still vote myself up to show the town that "Hey! He's actually a doctor, now we know exactly who's lying if Player A and Player B can't confirm themselves tonight!"

by **Unorthodox1337** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:20 pm

npromin1 wrote:
Unorthodox1337 wrote:Nprom: his offer to vote himself up is off putting my scum read TBH. This is my first FM game, so let me know if offering to lynch yourself is a viable play for scum like a bluff. I still think could be bomber/witch.

I said I would normally lynch myself, but not now because the fuse went off. And if the fuse didn't go off, and everyone accused me of being scummy, I would still vote myself up to show the town that "Hey! He's actually a doctor, now we know exactly who's lying if Player A and Player B can't confirm themselves tonight!"

Eh in that case I revert my decision. I await the other players input eagerly.

Also, it feels like the other citizens are contributing much or posting very little. We'll probably win, but come on guys.

by **Unorthodox1337** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:21 pm

Also, was what happened yesterday when we lynched Matt considered a hammer? If so, we should look at the early voters.

by **PurpleSidewalk1** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:24 pm

I really really want to know Sevo and Wolf's results, but at this point I would lynch puma or Wolf over nprom and then wait till tomorrow to see if DJ can confirm himself. If we lynch either Wolf or puma they follow the same pattern as in if Wolf is scum then puma is scum and vice versa. If wolf is town then puma is town and vice versa.

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