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AMA with the creators.

Postby shapesifter13 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:22 pm

Hey Townies!

PyromonkeyGG (Blake) and Achilles (Josh) will be doing an AMA (Ask Me Anything) today(11/1/15) at the start of the normal stream time. We will spend an hour talking about the game, announcing what all is going into the Vampire and Vampire Hunter patch and taking questions from you! Come join the discussion today (11/01/15) at 6pm CST at http://www.twitch.tv/blankmediagames. Also, make sure to follow our Twitch channel to know whenever we go live with streaming the game. Brandon and Jacob stream every Wednesday and Sunday from 6pm-9pm CST so make sure you come out and show your support :D

Shapesifter13 (Brandon) and Party4lyfe (Jacob) will be playing games with viewers after the AMA on the Public Test Realm (PTR). It will have the Vampire and Vampire Hunter available!

We will see you there!

VOD!!!!! You can watch the recording of the AMA here: http://www.twitch.tv/blankmediagames/v/23571939 It is only an hour long, and has a lot of very good information

Copied and changed a bit from RhazhBash's post to have the information easily, and readily available to anyone looking for it in the OP:

Here's a few things they said in the AMA. Some of these are things that are planned, while some are just ideas they have that are likely to happen, but not confirmed yet.

-They said they wanted to ease Vampires into the game and not directly add them to ranked, so they decided to just leave them in as a 1/30 chance for them to be the Any in ranked. They will likely keep it this way.(They are labeled Neutral Chaos for now)
-They mentioned that either a role that turns people into zombies once they die or the Shadowwalker were roles that they thought were interesting, and have a chance to be added.(nothing confirmed)
-They said that mobile and PC ToS will most likely not be playing together, and that mobile(tablet only at first) is hopefully coming out in December.(barring anything going wrong)
-They confirmed full night immunity for Werewolf in the Vampire patch, and when I brought it up they said they liked the idea of a Mafia role that can read whispers, however they said they may prefer giving that to Framer instead of Blackmailer.(this depends on the actual win rate of the Mafia with certain roles)
-They said that Orange's Investigator results looked good, and might be added sometime in the future, and said they didn't do it this patch because they don't want to change too much of the game all at once.
-They said that they have ideas to bring some balance to certain roles, and to ranked.(ranked currently has the band-aid of the role you have is weighted with the Elo you earn)(They also said they want to add varied ranked role lists that are all balanced, would be hard to do.)
-They hope to release this patch sometime this week if possible.
-They took the timeout for leavers that is in ranked, and are applying it to all modes.(If you leave while alive you will be timed out for 5 minutes, this is a band-aid until the real system we want to add is put in)
-Mafia cap reduced to 5
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby RhazhBash » Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:50 pm

Here's a few things they said in the AMA. Some of these are things that are planned, while some are just ideas they have that are likely to happen, but not confirmed yet.

-They said they wanted to ease Vampires into the game and not directly add them to ranked, so they decided to just leave them in as a 1/30 chance for them to be the Any in ranked. They will likely keep it this way.
-They mentioned that either a role that turns people into zombies once they die or the Shadowwalker would be the next role added.
-They said that mobile and PC ToS will most likely not be playing together, and that mobile is hopefully coming out in December.
-They confirmed full night immunity for Werewolf in the Vampire patch, and when I brought it up they said they liked the idea of a Mafia role that can read whispers, however they said they would prefer giving that to Framer instead of Blackmailer.
-They plan to add Orange's Investigator results in a later patch, and said they didn't do it this patch because they don't want to change too much of the game all at once.
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby Gobln » Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:00 pm

shit bro, they actually listened.

I like the idea of framer hearing whispers.

And you know, as much shit as i gave the vampire i really think having it being spawned in Ranked Any is actually a really sick change.

Not every ranked game is super-balanced as is, and i think having it be a rare-spawn will lead to interesting altercations.

Good stuff bmg, step in the right direction overall.
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby ShortcutButton » Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:55 pm

Get hyped
I wonder what this zombie role is all about :?:
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby K1llthestory » Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:57 pm

Gobln wrote:shit bro, they actually listened.

I like the idea of framer hearing whispers.

And you know, as much shit as i gave the vampire i really think having it being spawned in Ranked Any is actually a really sick change.

Not every ranked game is super-balanced as is, and i think having it be a rare-spawn will lead to interesting altercations.

Good stuff bmg, step in the right direction overall.

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I'll be the first to admit that if there is a slim chance that vampire goes into ranked, then I'll be happy.
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby shapesifter13 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:09 pm

I'm glad you guys are feeling good about these things. We do listen, some things just take time to change, priorities have to be managed.
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby K1llthestory » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:12 pm

shapesifter13 wrote:I'm glad you guys are feeling good about these things. We do listen, some things just take time to change, priorities have to be managed.

We definitely give you a lot of shit for the stuff we don't like, so we're being genuine when we say that we like that you're listening to the community.
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby orangeandblack5 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:24 pm

This was a massive step in the right direction. If they aren't yet changing the Ranked role list, giving Vampire only a slight chance to spawn is really cool. Plus, adding the Shadowalker and the invest results shows that they're pulling popular suggestions from the community now. However, the largest and best surprise was the seperation of PC and mobile. This was needed.

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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby JazzMusicStops » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:39 am

Awesome
I look forward to all of these additions
It does mean I have to memorise a new list, but oh well
Also
SHADOWWALKER HYPE!
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby RhazhBash » Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:29 am

So I hit a lot of high points in the AMA with my last post. I rewatched the AMA and I'll point out a few things I missed. Keep in mind that not everyone is gonna be pleased with every single thing they said, and that they have a community beyond the forums.

-A practice ranked mode is planned, but will most likely not come soon. There is no new game mode this patch, contrary to what was said in the 1.2.1 patch announcement
-The 5 minute timeout for leaving ranked will now apply to all game modes, and the actual leaver buster system is coming soon
-December will likely bring the tablet version, but not the phone version of ToS
-There is a possibility of reverse scrolls being added if enough people want them
-They have more female/ethnic skins made, but they are waiting to release them when they fit in with the current patch
-They said they wanted to change ranked/ELO, but didn't specify how
-A bug where the Doctor could heal a revealed Mayor when attacked by a Werewolf is being fixed
-Amnesiac being able to remember cleaned roles is a bug
-They will most likely not make anymore roles to counter other roles (I.E. Firefighter)
-Crier from SC2 Mafia may be added soon
-The reconnect button most likely won't ever come, because of how they need to work out if people stay alive or not after leaving
-Josh said Citizen was a part of SC2 Mafia he didn't like, so it most likely won't ever be added
-They hinted at a ToS board game??!??!?!?! I'm not sure if that was a joke or not.
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby murat1996 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:52 am

JammySplodge wrote:SHADOWWALKER HYPE!


I couldn't agree more xD
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby JazzMusicStops » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:19 am

murat1996 wrote:
JammySplodge wrote:SHADOWWALKER HYPE!


I couldn't agree more xD

Congrats man

I hope they do Greenpandalover's Orphan too, because I really like that one
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby ibney000 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:34 am

Color me surprised and happy.

Good on ya devs. These changes sound awesome!
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby RhazhBash » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:40 am

I'd like to mention one thing about something I mentioned in the AMA. I brought up the Blackmailer buff to the devs in the AMA, and they said that they would rather give the buff to Framer, but would look at the win rates for both roles before deciding. Here's 4 reasons aside from win rates why it should be Blackmailer instead of Framer.

1. Blackmailer is already in the Investigator results with Spy, which would essentially make the two go together like Escort and Consort
2. Putting Framer in that Investigator result would mess up the Framer's main ability by having a Town result in there
3. Reading whispers for the Mafia seems more like a Support function than a Deception function
4. It's been discussed before, that a better buff to Framer would be a secondary target where they could make their framed target appear to visit another player, visible to Spy and Lookout
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby Gobln » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:55 pm

Either is fine to me Rash, though the invest result should be changed so the mafia role that can read whispers is paired with Spy.
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby orangeandblack5 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:14 pm

So framed people come up as Framer/Spy?

No thank you.
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby murat1996 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:58 pm

orangeandblack5 wrote:So framed people come up as Framer/Spy?

No thank you.


Yeah, that would be stupid, and maybe NOT pair them up.
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby ICECLIMBERS » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:03 pm

If that were the case then people would say "they're framer for not doing spy test" but really framer should just be by itself.
I would even argue that forger should be moved somewhere else.
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby murat1996 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:43 pm

ICECLIMBERS wrote:If that were the case then people would say "they're framer for not doing spy test" but really framer should just be by itself.
I would even argue that forger should be moved somewhere else.


Framer and Forger investigative results are fine for now.

It would be hard to change that as anyway.
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Re: AMA with the creators.

Postby RhazhBash » Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:31 am

xXScrublord27Xx wrote:
RhazhBash wrote:I'd like to mention one thing about something I mentioned in the AMA. I brought up the Blackmailer buff to the devs in the AMA, and they said that they would rather give the buff to Framer, but would look at the win rates for both roles before deciding. Here's 4 reasons aside from win rates why it should be Blackmailer instead of Framer.

1. Blackmailer is already in the Investigator results with Spy, which would essentially make the two go together like Escort and Consort
2. Putting Framer in that Investigator result would mess up the Framer's main ability by having a Town result in there
3. Reading whispers for the Mafia seems more like a Support function than a Deception function
4. It's been discussed before, that a better buff to Framer would be a secondary target where they could make their framed target appear to visit another player, visible to Spy and Lookout



Okay, either:

Blackmailer gets the ability to hear whispers, and still is paired with spy.

or

Blackmailer gets the ability to hear whispers, but is paired with different roles (see oranges list or something) and spy is paired with Jailor/Mayor.

or

Framer gets the ability to hear whispers, and spy gets paired with mayor/jailor.

In my personal opinion, BM should get to hear whispers, as framer is part of classic and I think would upset the balance. Also newer players might have trouble understanding whispers are being heard and thus sharing valuable information.

However this leaves us with framer still the same, being one of the most boring roles in the game it really needs a little change of gameplay. Well BMG will have something up their sleeve for that, I hope ;)

Give Framer the ability to make people appear to visit other people to fool Spies and Lookouts. Better buff to Framer than whisper reading imo.
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