Gobln wrote:shit bro, they actually listened.
I like the idea of framer hearing whispers.
And you know, as much shit as i gave the vampire i really think having it being spawned in Ranked Any is actually a really sick change.
Not every ranked game is super-balanced as is, and i think having it be a rare-spawn will lead to interesting altercations.
Good stuff bmg, step in the right direction overall.
shapesifter13 wrote:I'm glad you guys are feeling good about these things. We do listen, some things just take time to change, priorities have to be managed.
JammySplodge wrote:SHADOWWALKER HYPE!
murat1996 wrote:JammySplodge wrote:SHADOWWALKER HYPE!
I couldn't agree more xD
orangeandblack5 wrote:So framed people come up as Framer/Spy?
No thank you.
ICECLIMBERS wrote:If that were the case then people would say "they're framer for not doing spy test" but really framer should just be by itself.
I would even argue that forger should be moved somewhere else.
xXScrublord27Xx wrote:RhazhBash wrote:I'd like to mention one thing about something I mentioned in the AMA. I brought up the Blackmailer buff to the devs in the AMA, and they said that they would rather give the buff to Framer, but would look at the win rates for both roles before deciding. Here's 4 reasons aside from win rates why it should be Blackmailer instead of Framer.
1. Blackmailer is already in the Investigator results with Spy, which would essentially make the two go together like Escort and Consort
2. Putting Framer in that Investigator result would mess up the Framer's main ability by having a Town result in there
3. Reading whispers for the Mafia seems more like a Support function than a Deception function
4. It's been discussed before, that a better buff to Framer would be a secondary target where they could make their framed target appear to visit another player, visible to Spy and Lookout
Okay, either:
Blackmailer gets the ability to hear whispers, and still is paired with spy.
or
Blackmailer gets the ability to hear whispers, but is paired with different roles (see oranges list or something) and spy is paired with Jailor/Mayor.
or
Framer gets the ability to hear whispers, and spy gets paired with mayor/jailor.
In my personal opinion, BM should get to hear whispers, as framer is part of classic and I think would upset the balance. Also newer players might have trouble understanding whispers are being heard and thus sharing valuable information.
However this leaves us with framer still the same, being one of the most boring roles in the game it really needs a little change of gameplay. Well BMG will have something up their sleeve for that, I hope
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