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ICECLIMBERS wrote:

Swordsworth wrote:

puma wrote:Mafia is at the bottom of the list

do you think this is a game

Live Player List
1. destawaits
2. pumacatrun2
3. MickGalbani
4. PokemonKidRyan
5. Vader4587
7. JackoDerp
8. XxPetraDiedxX
10. Swordsworth (Experienced)
12. ICECLIMBERS (Experienced)

Yeah that was the best part of the mafia chat to read lmao. I literally pegged all the scum jokingly - had hints that I may have been right that at least mafia might not be the first few slots after that but I really didn't expect the exact bottom four to be all scum Should've pressured you harder instead of accepting and "oh i forgot about that" haha.

JackoDerp wrote:

pumacatrun2 wrote:

Vader4587 wrote:my possibility was right about jack being witch!

Hey I was the first to voice that But you all thought it was a stretch

I like how you all read that as a "possible mafia signal".
I was sitting there reading your analysis and I'm like wtf?

No that wasn't me I think that was someone else and we had to clear that up because misunderstandings.
My point was that it'd dissuade people from scumreading you, which it did

Loving how I clearly left an impression on Swords during NFM9 lmao

kotkowski wrote:I've fking told ICE is scum, but nooooooooo, lynch kot, cause why not! :C
Spy claim was obviously true, it was most trustworth than medium claim, but idk why u've trusted Sword instead of me....

I still don't see how the spy claim was any more trustworthy, especially with the results they gave. Overnight I definitely reconsidered my thoughts on who the mafia comprised of but too late. Don't act like you don't take any responsibility for it Especially when it looked so much like you guys were scumbuddying late game. Guess it was too bad to be true.

But yeah we were basically going to have two people fighting for RT because their slots were taken, plus a medium and second TK claim. Something was definitely up.

Vader4587 wrote:my possibility was right about jack being witch!

Hey I was the first to voice that But you all thought it was a stretch

Welp loud sighs. After that Kot flip figured some of my townreads had to be wrong :/

Ripperoni.

PokemonKidRyan wrote:I will get a lead by tomorrow
I am using my Censor.

So I will know how many town and how many scum voted today.

/vote kotkowski

If you're alive tomorrow, give both your censor results and night results before anyone else checks in whether they slept peacefully or not. If you really are spy, you might be able to prove it with who was visited. But that's very dependent on things and it's looking like you'll be likely to be dead to a vig tomorrow. So I'm certainly hoping you aren't.

P-edit goodnight

Swordsworth wrote:Puma, it doesn't matter. Everyone's outed, all we can do is lynch the Witch or give them a ton of prospective targets to overwhelm them with useless choices.

Well alrighty then.

But who do we believe to be the witch then? I feel kot and ryan have been buddying too much for one of them to be witch. I think from the posts they've made Dest is associated with the mafia team too. Petra? We're going on her being inactive until recently and some sort of PoE when witch could very well still be hiding in town if we're wrong.

As others have agreed, lynching other people aside from kot and ryan doesn't feel as certain.

So we should just assume that the witch is going to follow along with our plans and send a townie over to Mick/dest willy nilly for sure? As I've said all game, I advocate looking at all possibilities.

Swordsworth wrote:Chill out. You have nothing to fear, yes? Depending on Kot's flip, I'll know who to heal. But I must know who the Veteran is, if there is one, for my safety.

But yeah are we just going to ignore the point I made that if the witch fears more mafia dying tonight they could control you to heal them or the mafia? That's still a very real possibility.

I'm trying to figure out if Ryan is taking my earlier advice that mafia should be bussing kot etc. at this point tbh or if there's something more to it...hmmm. Agreed that I'm not sure I want to touch any lynch besides those two but I could MAYBE see him really be spy. However, he has definitely shown some clear buddying tracks with kot so it's definitely not a strong case especially since for some reason they didn't choose to use their censor D2 AND claim only one mafia has been visiting (maybe with a blackmailer and something else but unlikely at best). Their actions just don't fit with their claim.

P-edit Especially the all caps....

Hang on, misread, thought you tried to apply it to Jacko too, but my point still stands.

kotkowski wrote:And puma, have u read it?
I talked about TK CLAIM BEING WITCHED

YES AND MICK WAS NEVER WITCHED?? You then tried to applied the TK claim logic to Jacko who claims citizen like what are you even doing?

Your arguments are weak, just admit it. You're going to be lynched and you're dragging your team mates down with you by continuing to try and support them honestly they should be bussing you right now if anything.

And the shit does being witched = scum? Your logic is very flawed here kot. The scramble is real.

kotkowski wrote:And one more thing, when I'll die, and town will win, I'm winner too right?
Or I have to still alive to win?

@puma
Fail, I forgot about it :__:
But who was witched? wasn't it mick? If he was visited it makes him proof scum, as there weren't TK kills

If you are somehow miraculously town and we somehow miraculously bring back the game, yes you still win if you are dead. But you being mislynched would mean certain loss if TK didn't secure our majority back.

oh my god you really don't read do you

Jacko was witched N1 and Vader was witched N2. Nothing about Mick.

kotkowski wrote:Other things that are suspicious for me:

1. Why experienced player didn't made will as inv? Could it be janitor, or it's wrote if cleaned?
2. Why TK got witched any anybody killed by him? If I'm not wrong, if witched vet, witch will die?

oh and btw, I'm not sure who was witched, but from puma's post I guess it was Mick

If it were janitor, we wouldn't know they were Invest. They simply left out a will, whether out of forgetting or hiding their results in case the person investigated became a target for mafia or just not caring to, idk.

Only if the vet is the first person the witch targets do they die. If the witch sends somebody to the vet, they do not die. It's like grabbing the person and throwing them at the other person's home, they never come in contact with the second target.

kotkowski wrote:

XxPetraDiedxX wrote:Wait so Kot, you're a confirmed marshal, right?

Nah, I've just said that nobody is confirmed and I don't know why ur trusting the counterclaim, that did nothing too.

"I've healed XXX".

Anybody can tell random nicknames, when they weren't even attacked

Except the reasoning behind their choices makes sense. Yours, not so much and I don't see why the spy wouldn't have used their censor D2.

kotkowski wrote:Ekhm....
Ryan's claim is the easiest to believe, don't ya think?
Mafia COULD visit 1 person at night.
Why?
1) Not neccesary activity of players, example - framer with no TI, janitor, idkwhobutmaybehere'ssomeoneelse
2) Just incase if there's spy, it's possible isn't it?

But the double TK options, after mod's post makes me think that ICE it the lier :c

+ doc obviously

Look maybe if there's a blackmailer that would account for one visit missing, and yes the other one not doing killing may not have a reason to use their action but as for the latter case TI only just died so ofc a framer would still be useful to use up until that point, and a janitor should have definitely used their ability by now to make claimspace. "Just incase if there's spy" isn't usually something the mafia follows that badly at least at the start of the game. I don't see much reason mafia wouldn't use what they have D1 with those arguments.

And again, flavor text ain't arguments and it could have just been to indicate that the RT rolling chance was altered from what was expected. Drop it.

Under the assumption that Mick is indeed TK

Mick's options:
- If vet, alert and hope to get the witch.
- If vet, don't alert in case witch makes a townie visit them.
- If vig, shoot ryan (with the risk of the witch putting TP on them)
- If vig, shoot someone else suspicious (thus reducing the likelihood of the witch having TP on them)
- If vig, don't shoot (no real reason to do this, even a failed attempt is better than none)

Witch's options:
- Put TP on Ryan as he is the best vig option as far as town sees.
- Put TP on themselves because obviously it doesn't matter to them if mafia wins if they are dead.
- Put TP on one of the other two mafia in case Mick goes with the fourth option (this is a lot of luck though)
- Witch a townie to visit Mick (hoping that they are Vet)
- Witch Mick to visit a townie (hoping they they are Vig, with the risk of being torn apart by vetbait)
- Some other option that would probably not affect things too much? Maybe there's another option but I don't see it if the witch wants to aid mafia.

ICECLIMBERS wrote:Vigilantes should wait for us to assign a target. Veterans should not alert. Witch will just control people into you.

ICECLIMBERS wrote:Vig should shoot Ryan.

I think we're in universal agreeance that Ryan is the best target for the vig to go for, although that being said it's possible the witch could control Swords into healing him. This is an ugly game of WIFOM basically. Though, if veterans aren't alerting then that might give the witch the idea to test if the TK claim is vig or not. Might even be best to leave it up to TK to prevent witch from being able to figure out the best plan.

JackoDerp wrote:if Kotkowski is legitimately marshal I'm going to cry.

Same

Like maybe, maaaaaybe dest could be town but if so they're fighting for an RT spot and they've shown buddying with kot and Ryan etc.

We sort out Kot and Ryan first then make sure Dest and Petra are last scum as there's always a possibility we've got one of them wrong, but fairly sure Dest is in the scum team.

P-edit accusing all of the people against you won't help your case either

Oh wait yeah it was Dest who claimed it but I certainly doubt it.

kotkowski wrote:So who claimed Second TK?

Nobody, there isn't one.

That mod message doesn't seriously mean there's definitely a second TK, it was almost a red herring. I'm guessing Obi just wanted to say it was included in the RNG so we know the chances of roles rolling in RT were different.

kotkowski wrote:And Jack the Second TK
And I know u won't, I Just want to proof that doctor/medium/TK is lying. The best way is Just die

Jacko claimed Cit?