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Santa07 wrote:Title: Even Rick should never trust Rick

JUST BECAUSE I WAS NOT TOWN DOES NOT MEAN MY SCUMHUNTING GETS ANY BETTER OK

and then it kinda got to a point where my failed scumhunting means I win but Town burns to the ground.... deep sighs

iggyvolz wrote:
RetralMega wrote:So gamethrowing is a three month blacklist? Damn. Thought it was only one month.

There were other factors that went into this beyond the game conduct.

Spoken like a true basketball referee.

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Well Chubby did technically die, so let's get on to self-hammering me to freelo... /vote RICKDAILY12

rip FMBot

Seriously. Marshal would do fine as a Town Support, but let's stop robbing the Town of actual deterrents to Mafia Kills in the Town Protective slot.

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Swordsworth wrote:>Assuming the Marshal doesn't fakeclaim BG and thus eliminate those drawbacks

Claims are irrelevant. In 8F, people knew a Marshal was in the game, had no idea who it was. Sometimes that happens. The Marshal didn't have to claim, people just knew it was there, even if no one was claiming it.

If Mafia knows that Marshal exists, the Framer gets sent with the Mafia Killer, and then... good night, Vienna.

P-Edit hello Martin's salt

Rickdaily12 wrote:Do any of those scenarios exist without "Lookout", "Transporter", or "[a REAL Town Protective]"?

Actually, sure, let's go the distance.

Doctor: Avoid target entirely
BodyGuard: Avoid target entirely
Transporter: Avoid target entirely (assuming desired target)
Lookout: Avoid target entirely UNLESS worth being spotted

Marshal: Frame target, kill after Marshal is dealing with Framer.

So, what's truly pitiful here, is that all four other roles sway the Mafia away from killing the target entirely, and half of them aren't even classed as "Town Protective". Meanwhile, this pathetic piece of trash needs any of those four, seemingly by your own words, Gent, to be viable.

The point is, NONE OF THE OTHER PROTECTIVES, need another role, because they all stand on their own as effective kill countermeasures!

That is the very damn point of Town Protective in the first place!

Do any of those scenarios exist without "Lookout", "Transporter", or "[a REAL Town Protective]"?

Rickdaily12 wrote:TProts are meant to protect the Town from dying. If a Marshal gets halted by a Framer so that the Mafioso can continue, it's an utter failure as a Town Protective.

Unknown Town Protective (if Mafia doesn't know who this is, then Consort can't roleblock the protective): Say Player X is the Jailor, whom everyone agrees should be protected by the Town Protective.

Here's how Mafia deals with the Jailor, pending each Protective case:

Doctor: Avoid Jailor entirely.
BodyGuard: Avoid Jailor entirely.
Marshal: Lure the Marshal away from target by framing Jailor.

The argument is sound.

Gent, you're completely missing the point of the argument, and I don't have any clue how that is.

TrueGent wrote:
TrueGent wrote:Have you tried maybe not claiming?

Marshals do not have to be known!

You deal with them by framing the person you're about to kill!

TrueGent wrote:If the issue is that an outed Marshal is useless...
Have you tried maybe not claiming?

Every outed PR is useless in the same way. Consorts.

When Consorts aren't the problem, watch how Mafia deals with every other Town protective:

Doctor: Avoid target entirely.
BodyGuard: Avoid target entirely.
Marshal: Lure the Marshal away from target by framing kill target.

TrueGent wrote:Have you tried maybe not claiming?

Context?

Arcthurus wrote:marshal isnt shit

YES IT IS

Town Support or kill it, because it is total garbage as a Town Protective. TProts are meant to protect the Town from dying. If a Marshal gets halted by a Framer so that the Mafioso can continue, it's an utter failure as a Town Protective.

As a Town Support role, on the other hand, it supports the Town against harmful actions. Much like how the Escort does. Or the Transporter, by redirecting those actions onto someone else. Or even the Medium, who can counter a Janitor AND pass forward vital information, bypassing death.

Move Marshal into the faction it belongs, or get rid of it.

PersianRugs wrote:
RetralMega wrote:
TrueGent wrote:Cit+ either needs to be removed completely or not give a notification.

Yeah. Cit+ is a pretty shitty role.

so is marshal

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Eh. I do like this role list. A lot. (Not the one that rolled, but the set up.)

Those Cit+'s have to go, though. And I do think you should cut maybe one more Citizen slot and have 4 Random Towns, all of which just have a higher-than-normal chance of rolling Citizen.

What I don't get is when the dead start trying to have me offed, despite thinking that I'm really Executioner. =/

If everything I said was true, which you believed at the time, why the reluctance when I started scumhunting?

Sure, I'm interested in the dead chat

That Town was stupidly overpowered too, so there was also that.

Didn't something happen like a Jailor dying on Night 1 AND there still being a Mayor?

Okay. Just making sure. Some people would be quick to, say, cite SFM 13 as an example regarding my attitude toward Neutrals.

Neasans wrote:Rick was almost definitely telling the truth because he's Rick. His attitude towards Neutrals in general kind of made it unlikely for him to fakeclaim it.

-reads this-
-sees two polar opposite examples of Rick regarding neutrals-

Okay, so uh, what about my attitude toward neutrals, exactly?

ladd wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:Except, according to me, you were Mafia, and I was always hell bent on helping the Town. If I were right, the Mafia would lose a member, dead with the Serial Killer, and Town would have won.

Exactly, according to you. If I was Town, that would have meant the loss for them. I had an higher chance than you at rolling Town, which made my execution riskier.

Meh. If we're going to be this degree of nitty gritty, it's basically who can shout over the other person better. But let's be honest, I revealed as Executioner because I thought I was about to die- and even before that, because I was basically mod confirmed.

The fact that I had a very strong meta argument basically 99% proving that I was Executioner targeting Chubby (missing that 1% because people always overestimate to what depth I plan into stuff as scum) ...
AND that teamalex proved Kmenx was Serial Killer... really made it hard to trust you over me.

oliy wrote:SEE THATS WHY I WAS PUSHING A RICK LYNCH

Brb throwing more shit

Oliy, is there anyone else you haven't blamed yet other than yourself? =/

TrueGent wrote:
oliy wrote:True obviously, but see yourself in our shoes. What would you do to read accurately?

Not scumread James first of all.
I'm not the person to ask for read advice.

Again, I'm not letting THAT level of meta stand.

Blacklisting James for that was the right call. I'm not letting Scum!James be 100% unlynchable because you'd always think he's so insane and would pull shit.

Kmenx wrote:Psst Rick transporter was alive at N3

With two Mafia roleblocks, and a scum target needing to be picked in order to probably hit the Jailor (in case was attacked) the likihood isn't as low as you're making it sound.

ladd wrote:Rick should have been executed instead of Eliah, you would have proved Chubby as Town and me as Scum and in WCS you would not have lost a Town member.

Except, according to me, you were Mafia, and I was always hell bent on helping the Town. If I were right, the Mafia would lose a member, dead with the Serial Killer, and Town would have won.

Neasans wrote:Executing Kmenx/ladd would have been a better execute.

No, Kmenx would have been dangerous, on the off chance Santa got hit with a roleblock. Mafia would have had two chances if Mafioso+Consort.

Ladd absolutely was a better execution, but Town wasn't in for believing me, so...

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