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So since he was converted, did Met lose his own game?

RockFire wrote:But you see, creating chats does not equal that you are Town. The point is that lynching you allows us to either win the game or narrow down the Mafia to the final suspects

I'm not saying it does, but one of your main reasons for my lynch is that I claimed a character along with the rest of the mafia, all of those were fakeclaims. I have no reason for a fakeclaim since my ability is confirmable and I would just read the role card but claim town instead of mafia. So the idea that every member of the mafia was given a fake claim of a character is based on nothing.

RockFire wrote:Besides, keeping Swords alive allows us to create a ring of immunity which could stop kills.

Swords has to agree that he'll take the attacks. Even if he does, who at this point is going to attack Retral?

The basis for my lynch right now is that I claimed a main character instead of a class or monster. This doesn't even implicate me in any way as both town and mafia have flipped main characters. Rock's saying that all the mafia fakeclaims are Characters so mine must be a fakeclaim too, yet we know that a neighbourizer exists so my claim cannot be a fake one that was given to me. I don't like the fact that Rock thinks lynching me is the best move when there's a neutral that started the day by claiming to be killing 3 of us. This is not what a neutral does when wanting to side with town. We have no reason to trust him.

/vote Tarot

I see no reason whatsoever not to lynch the claimed neutral.

SarahSaurus wrote:

EvilDeanius0 wrote:Nobody seems to have answered how I can be mafia when there's still a mafia dayvig out there. If we have a maximum of 2 mafia, then one is Godfather and one is dayvig.

Does there have to be a Godfather? Couldn't there just be 1 Mafia left?

Also I'm not sure how there being 2 Mafia means you can't be Mafia anyway

According to Tarot, there is a Godfather. My point is that Rock's plan involves believing a claimed neutral.

Because a neighbourizer or a Godfather being a dayvig makes no sense.

Nobody seems to have answered how I can be mafia when there's still a mafia dayvig out there. If we have a maximum of 2 mafia, then one is Godfather and one is dayvig.

This plan is stupid. You're giving control of Retral's vote to a Neutral, you're basing your accusation of me and Milte on other people's fakeclaims, when its already been shown that both mafia and town can flip players and monsters. We've had a town dayvig and a neutral dayvig, meaning the missing dayvig is likely mafia.

Very-Informed Selective Godfather doesn't sound like a dayvig to me, and it doesn't make sense for a neighbourizer to be one either. So since there's a maximum of 2 mafia, explain how one of them can be me.

Tarot wrote:Deanius, it looks like you're finding any way you can to try to deny what I'm saying.

It almost as if neutrals aren't trustworthy, especially ones that are are claiming they can town-side, but only after we went to lynch them.

Tarot wrote:What does that mean

I exit the game upon victory

If you're telling the truth. You're a claimed neutral.

Tarot wrote:You do realize that François can Magichange with Rock for a far better outcome, right? Your ability usage had been not very townlike, and it's facilitating possible mislynches.

I tried to make the scummy players claim to townreads, I don't see how that isn't townlike.

RockFire wrote:You're both humanoid claims so that won't work regardless.

I think Archer is a monster class and I'm an actual characrter, so I assumed they would work.

RockFire wrote:And you're assuming both are scum but Odin's Prot claim makes sense as all the Prot claims have been gimped in some sort of way. Also, since all the Mafia have claimed Unique charactets instead of classes, I'm assuming the liar is between you and milte so I'm setting up failsafes.

If Met gives fakeclaims, this means nothing. Both Mafia and Town roles have flipped main characters as well as other classes.

RockFire wrote:Besides, Swords claims the Mafia Godfather is super informed or something which could match their your ability so long as you can see all chats and not just the one you claimed you did.

A Neutral claims this. We can't trust him 100%.

RockFire wrote:Which means the liar is you, milte, or Swords. It's simple as with your death I can figure out if it's 8 or 9 scum roles. If 8, we're good as I believe that with 9, you'd have to be scum.

If there's 9, we're in LYLO. If there's 8, we could still lose due to the fact there is still a mafia/neutral dayvig somewhere.

You haven't claimed yet either btw.

RockFire wrote:I want Evil lynched first to prove whether or not we have one Mafia member left or two. If it's one, that makes life easier as well as confirming someone to be Town or revealing that the Mafia still has two people.

Lynching me doesn't answer that question though, when I flip town we still won't know how many mafia remain. We have Tarot to deal with as well.

Both Milte and Odin could be scum and would just lie about their results. Of the group, those two are scummier than Retral to me, so I wouldn't trust them to do it.

I'm planning to MagiChange with Francois. If I understand it right, I can choose to have attacks on him target me instead.

Well, I now have a theory but its definitely a risk. Usually if a slot takes as long as Hark's has to fill, it would be modkilled, yes? What if it hasn't because it would lose Tarot the game?

RockFire wrote:Hm. I was hoping you still had it because then this could potentially be a lot easier.

Anyway, if Swords is not lying about his win con then he's forced to side with us to win and I'm debating whether or not to do so. It certainly is risky but if we do mislynch then it won't be the end of the world as he can keep majority at our side.

That's a big if though. Since all he needed to do was get the godfather, wouldn't he have just claimed that at the beginning of the day? What was the point of the whole '3 people will die' thing?

If Tarot was telling the truth, all he needed to do was win would be kill the mafia role, which means he could have revealed straight away as he would have sided with town at that point. He would also have needed to have killed Rhazh.

I'm assuming none of your abilities give feedback Milte?

I still think Milte needs to claim before the day ends.

Francois, are you a monster or a human? If I understand the MagiChange thing right, I can basically become a meat shield for you.

Tarot wrote:I'm dying at the end of the phase anyway. It's a waste when, after myself+three others die, mafia still doesn't have equal or more to town's numbers.

They might if the neutrals can side with them. It depends how many town you hit.

Tarot wrote:Why are you trying to lynch the dead tyrant walking?

We only have your word for it that you're going to die.

I'm assuming lynching swords won't stop whatever he's doing if he's hardclaiming neutral.

Slept peacefully

RockFire wrote:Also, might I add that the choice to pair me with milte instead of someone confirmed like Rhazh so I could claim to them and give Town knowledge baffles me. I'd like to hear Evil's explanation.

I was hoping he'd claim. It was between you or Rhazh but I thought Rhazh was more likely to be attacked.

RockFire wrote:Well then. That happened I guess. Not that I have any qualms about lynching Def. My point that I was going to make earlier is that all the Mafia fakeclaims have actually all been unique character roles instead of class roles.

/vote deferentsheep

Didn't FML claim Prinny?

Who do I neighbourize tonight?

Was Hark's slot ever filled? We haven't heard a claim from them or from Sarah either.

deferentsheep wrote:???

You do realize I'm town-aligned, right?

But I don't believe you.

I'll gladiate him right now if you want. I don't see a reason for the QT not to happen unless Met made a mistake, which is possible since it happened with me and True.

Well, so far everytime I neighbourized two people, one of them was killed that night. I had a theory that an NK was being forced to attack targets that were neighbourized, so I chose 2 people that were unlikely to be attacked. I know it sounds unlikely, but there was a bit of a flavour reason behind it. My character is Mao, and I know that there's a Dark Mao that is the evil version of him, so I thought maybe he had the ability to see my targets and choose one to kill. Obviously this theory died along with Iggy, but I choose my targets during the day and so couldn't change them after the flip.

N1 Moonbird and SirCakez
N2 Myself and TrueGent
N3 PRPaladin and Tarot
N4 Def and Milte

I had a one-shot ability to spy on one of the conversations, and used it on Moon/Cakez. I didn't trust Moon 100% at the time and hoped that they'd claim but they didn't. I then chose myself and True so I could claim to him. Apparently I wasn't supposed to be able to target myself, but Met didn't have time to tell me, so he allowed it. PR and Tarot were both town reads, but people suspected PR. I wanted them to talk so that maybe PR would claim to Tarot and he'd say if he believed him or not. Milte and Def was to test the Dark Mao theory.

I slept peacefully.

I may as well claim now. I'm the neighbourizer.

Also Iggy is at L-2 so holding off voting for now.